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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42896996

Can't see how she can win this battle. The EU are extremely clear on this, people's rights are not negotiable. If we want a transitional deal post-Brexit, citizens have the same rights as they do now. Don't know why she would waste time fighting this.
 
whilst i can see her point (though i disagree) she really isn't good at picking her battles is she?
 
Seriously, the state of it. This is our actual Government.

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Even as a commited brexiteer I struggle with the ridiculous soundbites from the "negotiating team". What absolute bollocks. It currently seems that this shower are deliberately choosing the worse possible path in every occassion when faced with more than one option. It says something when Andrew Neil is dumbfounded! I see absolutely no merit in not staying in the single market and customs union during transition/ implementation. If fact I would have thought that would allow business time to address and mitigate any impact factors for brexit. At least then they will have a bit of clarity what they are " driving into". Its akin to turning your lights off on your car at night. Its a stupid idea.
 
Much as this epiphany is heartwarming I have something of an issue with it.
You were told before the vote Cameron would resign and it would be this lot who'd have to try and sort it.
You were told before the vote that the Government would lurch further to the right.
You were told before the vote that we didn't have the infrastructure or civil service to cope with it.
You were told before the vote that freedom of movement and the single market / customs union were part of the same package.
You were told before the vote that the EU wouldn't just roll over and give in because we are GREAT Britain.
So please don't act like these things coming to pass is some sort of surprise.
 
Yep, lets drive into a 13% loss of business/ shrinkage/ problem not of my making all because some people wanted to reduce the amount of foreigners in their town. Seems logical. Maybe I should ask some Brexiteers to come in and explain to a member of staff why they won't have a job if we have no deal.

And to think the same people voted knowing the Conservative party were in charge of this and are now complaining it's a mess and not what they expected. You really couldn't make up the sheer level of stupidity.

It makes me furious.
 
Johnny75 said:
Yep, lets drive into a 13% loss of business/ shrinkage/ problem not of my making all because some people wanted to reduce the amount of foreigners in their town. Seems logical. Maybe I should ask some Brexiteers to come in and explain to a member of staff why they won't have a job if we have no deal.

And to think the same people voted knowing the Conservative party were in charge of this and are now complaining it's a mess and not what they expected. You really couldn't make up the sheer level of stupidity.

It makes me furious.
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Business won’t shrink, we haven’t got the resources now to cope with UK demand, so that will get worse if it becomes even more difficult to employ staff. I expect GDP to carry on about the same rate, but that will be down to inflation not increased output.
 
Penk Wolf said:
Business won’t shrink, we haven’t got the resources now to cope with UK demand, so that will get worse if it becomes even more difficult to employ staff. I expect GDP to carry on about the same rate, but that will be down to inflation not increased output.
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Of course business will shrink, loads of businesses that have European sales will find they are too expensive and lose the sale. That cost will impact businesses in supply chains and so on. No need for staff if you have no need to employ them.
 
Johnny75 said:
Of course business will shrink, loads of businesses that have European sales will find they are too expensive and lose the sale. That cost will impact businesses in supply chains and so on. No need for staff if you have no need to employ them.
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If this happens, which I doubt it will happen to the extent people are predicting, then resources will be redirected into other UK businesses.

I could double my business within 12 months if I could find the staff and I’m far from alone in this situation.
 
Penk Wolf said:
If this happens, which I doubt it will happen to the extent people are predicting, then resources will be redirected into other UK businesses.

I could double my business within 12 months if I could find the staff and I’m far from alone in this situation.
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How will your staff situation be different to now? It's educated (and experienced) staff I have trouble finding and that won't change.
 
Johnny75 said:
How will your staff situation be different to now? It's educated (and experienced) staff I have trouble finding and that won't change.
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Well, 1 of 2 things are going to happen.

If we have a 13% drop due to leaving the EU then companies will have to reduce staffing levels and those resources will be come available.

Or

Things won’t really change and I’ll still struggle to find staff, but the 13% decrease won’t happen either.

Ironically, talking to 6 different agencies this week and they are finding it harder to find non skilled staff rather than skilled staff. The reason they can find skilled staff is because companies are having to increase the starting salary which means they are outbidding their current employers.
 
Those resources are released due to a drop in sales though meaning for every company that has a rise one will fall by the same amount + 13% (regionalised) as those sales are not being replaced.

Say you're a company that has 50% exports to the EU, that is now at risk of folding your business. That's all the staff and the supply chain that's at risk. And a country is only as strong as its exports. Cutting 10-15% of that when there was no need to is idiotic.

This vote can only have negative effects on the economy unless the 'immigrants under our beds' voters change their tune as independent trade deals are also likely to incur some freedom of movement clause for their citizens.

It may affect your business positively Penk but I think it's naive to think it won't destroy others.
 
I don’t disagree, there will be winners and losers, but the point I’m making is the net effect isn't going to be 13% downturn.

Exporting is important, but we don’t only export to the EU. The other Countries terms aren’t going to get worse, if anything, they’ll get better.
 
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Maybe, I just can't see this current bunch of clowns in power getting better deals. I don't think Labour would be much better either and whilst I admire your optimism I just don't think it will happen.

We need radical thought to make this work and if you keep going with the same people we'll end up with the same results. A new body to negotiate the deals with a combination of people not just civil servants would be a start as it's the civil service which won't lose at all so what's in a deal that they give a shit about?
 
The whole thing should be cancelled or at least borders should remain open. I don’t think the average man realise how short of resources we are in this Country and if employing staff gets tougher or stays the same, the Country will struggle to grow.
 
I agree with everything you've put there Penk, I don't see any benefit to leaving the EU at this time. Get the right negotiating team in place and maybe there's a chance but timing is terrible right now.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42977967
Government assessment of Brexit deals on economic growth over 15 years compared to current forecasts
Government region Single market Free trade No deal
East Midlands -1.8% -5% -8.5%
Eastern -1.8% -5% -8%
London -1% -2% -3.5%
North-East -3% -11% -16%
North-West -2.5% -8% -12%
South-East -1.5% -4.5% -7.5%
South-West -1% -2% -5%
West Midlands -2.5% -8% -13%
Yorkshire and Humber -1.5% -5% -7%
Northern Ireland -2.5% -8% -12%
Scotland -2.5% -6% -9%
Wales -1.5% -5.5% -9.5%
UK -2% -5% -8%

Apologies for the formatting, but there isn't a single positive figure there. Everything is negative.
 
Ironic that the areas that are predicted the biggest hits are the areas that massively voted Brexit. Working-class, industrial areas like the West Mids and North-East that rely on European sales and immigration to staff their businesses.
 
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