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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Except May is beholden to her backbenchers and Corbyn is fucking useless, unfortunately.
 
Finally we can take a positive from Brexit - the complete disintegration of UKIP. There's just not enough popcorn.
 
SLA said:
Finally we can take a positive from Brexit - the complete disintegration of UKIP. There's just not enough popcorn.
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Job done 24th June 2016. 304 pages later and nothings changed. Still leaving, still run by Tories,and still nothing we can do about it.I can't wait for some real detail to debate. Perhaps page 608 then.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Job done 24th June 2016. 304 pages later and nothings changed. Still leaving, still run by Tories,and still nothing we can do about it.I can't wait for some real detail to debate. Perhaps page 608 then.
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Think you might be in for a long wait.
 
There was an interesting segment on Radio 4 this morning about Brexit and how one guy (Bruno Macaes) thought it was actually a good thing to be leaving as the EU Parliament is standing still in terms of modernity and dealing with the rising power of the east. He was of the opinion that the EU bloc was simply a cultural/ temporary arrangement.

It was an interesting viewpoint and not wholly one I subscribed to but it made the case for a EURASIA type freedom of movement and movement of goods and services rather than having one trading bloc for the EU. I know Brexiteers will have kittens over this sort of thing but I thought it was an interesting take on it.
 
Rees-Mogg's reply was that the report deals with all Brexit strategies except the one which they are planning and won't tell us about, but that one will be ACE. As it is a CABINET report, I find the concept that it would not actually report on the situation planned by the Cabinet somewhat dubious.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Rees-Mogg's reply was that the report deals with all Brexit strategies except the one which they are planning and won't tell us about, but that one will be ACE. As it is a CABINET report, I find the concept that it would not actually report on the situation planned by the Cabinet somewhat dubious.
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it sounds like (i) they didn't know what they were planning when the reports were commissioned; (ii) they don't want to say what they are planning as they might not achieve it in negotiation which will then look weak; (iii) when they come back with something they've negotiated either it'll be a better result than the assessed scenarios and they can say that was what they planned, or it still won't look very good but it'll be better than the alternative "no deal " scenario, so suck it up.
 
Probably end up like those impact reports the C&P'd from wiki etc.
Rees-Mogg is a disingenuous tax avoider.
 
Iain Duncan Smith: 'It’s deliberately leaked because it gives a bad view, and therefore we should put it on one side and say leave it alone.'

The response of a mastermind.
 
I can't wait for Theresa's magic bespoke EU deal that's going to fix everything. It'll be like Christmas!
 
I reckon she'll announce this deal while riding in on a flying unicorn that is shitting rainbows down onto the adoring faces of the Union Jack waving Brexiters below.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/30/brexit-minister-says-whitehall-economic-forecasts-are-always-wrong

One of Theresa May’s key Brexit ministers has claimed that civil servants have never produced a correct economic forecast, and said he looks forward to continuing to prove the “horror story predictions” of economists wrong.

Steve Baker made the comments to MPs after being summoned to explain a leaked analysis, drawn up by government officials, which suggests Britain would be worse off after Brexit under a wide range of potential scenarios.

Responding to an urgent question from the shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, who demanded the assessment be published, the MP said ministers had only just seen the research and insisted that “significant further work” was required.


In fact, Baker questioned the worth of such research, slamming the use of Treasury forecasts during the referendum as “Project Fear” and saying the public deserved a House of Commons that displayed a “healthy scepticism about economic forecasting”.

Asked by the Tory MP and leave campaigner William Wragg if he could name a single civil service forecast “leaked or otherwise” that had been proved accurate, the minister responded: “No, I’m not able to name an accurate forecast, and I think they are always wrong and wrong for good reasons. My longstanding views on the flaws in the epistemology of the social sciences and consequences for econometrics are long set out.”
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I watched it live. An amateur display of someone thinking they're being clever through obfuscation, semantics and strawman arguments.

Appalling.
 
I'm not sure he realises he's effectively saying you can't trust the information the government is publishing. His fucking government ffs.
 
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