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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-secret-studies-report-eu-talks-safe-space-labour-opposition-a8028701.html
"The government’s reference to needing to conduct Brexit policy-making in a ‘safe place to allow for design and deliberation to be done in private’ seems to be more about keeping parliament and the public in the dark.

"Parliament is not here to give the government a blank cheque on Brexit, but to assist in achieving the best deal for our economy and society."

Green MEP Molly Scott Cato, who has threatened to take ministers to court over the move, said the list raised more questions than answers.

She said: “If the government think that producing a list of sectors will satisfy, they can think again.

"This will do nothing to reassure businesses, public services or the public or help them prepare for life outside the EU.

“Time is running out. Within the next two weeks the government will be dragged in front of the courts if they continue to sit on the results of these studies.”
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I don't think they should be publishing the reports to the public either. They should however be letting the industry bodies have copies of the reports as it will have a direct consequence on them. It should then be up to the industry bodies to publish/ let their members have a read of the findings.
 
Johnny75 said:
I don't think they should be publishing the reports to the public either. They should however be letting the industry bodies have copies of the reports as it will have a direct consequence on them. It should then be up to the industry bodies to publish/ let their members have a read of the findings.
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They might have been useful before the referendum when they could have been subject to debate and scrutiny but now their only purpose would be to commit the government to either reversing the decision to leave or pushing for a second referendum - neither of which the government plans to do.
 
We're going to look back at this in a decade or two and wonder why, when a Government had clear evidence that this would be at best, an extremely dangerous course of action, they went ahead and did it anyway, keeping everyone in the dark along the way.

Mind you very little the Tories have done since 2010 makes any sense or will stand up to any scrutiny.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
We're going to look back at this in a decade or two and wonder why, when a Government had clear evidence that this would be at best, an extremely dangerous course of action, they went ahead and did it anyway, keeping everyone in the dark along the way.

Mind you very little the Tories have done since 2010 makes any sense or will stand up to any scrutiny.
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There's very little scrutiny be that from the opposition, BBC or written media so they continually get away with it.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
They might have been useful before the referendum when they could have been subject to debate and scrutiny but now their only purpose would be to commit the government to either reversing the decision to leave or pushing for a second referendum - neither of which the government plans to do.
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I wouldn't disagree with any of that. It's a mess.
 
Johnny75 said:
I don't think they should be publishing the reports to the public either. They should however be letting the industry bodies have copies of the reports as it will have a direct consequence on them. It should then be up to the industry bodies to publish/ let their members have a read of the findings.
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I guess this is where we differ. I don't give two fucks about "industry". I care about the people that will be affected.

Industry will speak for industry, not for the people affected.
 
lemonjelly said:
I guess this is where we differ. I don't give two fucks about "industry". I care about the people that will be affected.

Industry will speak for industry, not for the people affected.
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Who do you think employs people? It will matter a lot if jobs go and industry is forced to look at markets they aren't already in.
 
I get that. I still think people are more important than industry. Industry's don't feel pain, or neglect, or abuse etc. Industry is rarely adversely affected by austerity drives. Industry is too frequently given an excessive voice, and frequently industry's interests are contrary to peoples.
 
lemonjelly said:
I get that. I still think people are more important than industry. Industry's don't feel pain, or neglect, or abuse etc. Industry is rarely adversely affected by austerity drives. Industry is too frequently given an excessive voice, and frequently industry's interests are contrary to peoples.
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You're kidding right?

It is people that drive industry LJ and if Brexit will affect them they should know and then those businesses can let their workforce know accordingly. What would be the point of publishing a document that concerns businesses to the public? It is surely for those individual businesses to find out how the report will affect them.

I don't believe your last sentence is right at all, the majority of businesses are built on people, they are not divorced from one another at all, it really isn't a 'them and us' as the world has changed. People are involved at all levels in the best businesses and essentially most businesses are toast without good people.
 
Johnny75 said:
You're kidding right?
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Nope.

Johnny75 said:
It is people that drive industry LJ and if Brexit will affect them they should know and then those businesses can let their workforce know accordingly. What would be the point of publishing a document that concerns businesses to the public? It is surely for those individual businesses to find out how the report will affect them. Aside from the first bit, the rest of this isn't relevant (to me at least). I know why you say it, but fundamentally disagree with it.

Johnny75 said:
I don't believe your last sentence is right at all, the majority of businesses are built on people,
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I'd extend this to be that most businesses are built on people, by people, for people. However, business does not act in the best interests of people. Capitalists like us to think that, but it ain't so.

Johnny75 said:
they are not divorced from one another at all, it really isn't a 'them and us' as the world has changed.
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I get they are linked, but cannot agree that businesses are equal to, or should be given priority to people. Businesses can be great phenomenal tools which we as people can and do use to invent brilliant new things, or discover new concepts or abilities to serve us. None of that is in dispute. But society is based on people, not business.


Johnny75 said:
People are involved at all levels in the best businesses and essentially most businesses are toast without good people.
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Agreed. Doesn't mean businesses should be on par or preferential to people though.

I know my arguement is idealistic :)
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lemonjelly said:
I get that. I still think people are more important than industry. Industry's don't feel pain, or neglect, or abuse etc. Industry is rarely adversely affected by austerity drives. Industry is too frequently given an excessive voice, and frequently industry's interests are contrary to peoples.
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Profit comes from business and industry.
Tax, when spent correctly makes people's lives better.
You can tax a profit, you can't tax a loss.
 
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