REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Johnny75]

Companies and the people aren't making this decision are they?

And this is the failing of the EU, it hasn't put forward the case for being in the EU strong enough. The politicians there are coming across as dictators and that isn't looking good on either side.

It's a clusterfuck from all angles.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

If it doesn't work for Countries then they should be allowed to leave and the EU should do the best deal for it's countries within and that would be free trade.

Not sure what your point is, any Country is free to leave, they don't have to be allowed. The EU has been quite clear, the best deal for them is one that maintains the strength of the union and I fully understand why this means that a trade deal that is less than we currently enjoy will be a consequence if leaving. The best deal must always be for those in the union.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Not sure what your point is, any Country is free to leave, they don't have to be allowed. The EU has been quite clear, the best deal for them is one that maintains the strength of the union and I fully understand why this means that a trade deal that is less than we currently enjoy will be a consequence if leaving. The best deal must always be for those in the union.

And Canada?

 

[The Saturday Boy]

And Canada?

Canada has never been a member of the EU therefore has never left. Maybe in a generation or two we will be in a similar negotiating position to them.

 

[leedswolf]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...one-guessed-a7858586.html?cmpid=facebook-post

 

[Derby Wolf]

Chris Wilkins, Theresa's Director of Strategy has resigned.

Along with the departure of Nick Timothy she has lost the authors of her/the Conservatives vision for Brexit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...y-another-resignation-as-strategy-chief-quits

 

[AndyWolves]

Can we just stop this nonsense now please?

 

[visage]

Brexiteers: We want to stop people moving freely betweent countries
EU: OK, fine
...

...
Brexiteers: NO, NOT LIKE THAT.

 

[lemonjelly]

:icon_lol:
quality vis...

 

[lemonjelly]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40813702

I see examples of this each day. It brings us back to a point that numerous people have raised repeatedly. The wall of silence is fucking with peoples lives. That in turn is fucking with a number of industries.

 

[visage]

We're so desperate to sign deals with literally anyone that we're going to lift our kimono to anyone that even smiles at us. So we'll end up accepting US agricultural standards as being acceptible for consumption by the UK market. What will that do?

Firstly, UK supermarkets currently have to meet EU standards. Going forwards they wont.
Secondly, any processed foods that we sell into the EU will have to meet EU standards. So will a company making chicken pies have to have two production lines? One using imported chicken for consumption in the UK, another for using EU compliant chicken for export?
Thirdly: How will UK farmers react? Lower standards and compete with US agrigiants? Or maintain standards to sel into a market that is dominated by export?

But hey, taking back control right? Sovereignty, right? Freedom, right?

Its a disgusting fucking fuckfest of tyranny by abstract cunting nouns. The major fucking problem is that abstract concepts wont put fucking food on the table. Cunts.

 

[lemonjelly]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/03/second-brexit-referendum-case-getting-stronger-political-deadlock-life-raft

With a deadlocked parliament, the possibility of an unfavourable deal and both parties so deeply divided on Europe, it may start to appear that the only way out of the impasse is a second referendum in which the government’s deal is put it to the people for legitimation.

That appears unlikely at the moment. Yet a referendum on Europe appeared even more unlikely when, in 1971, Tony Benn proposed it to Labour’s national executive but failed to find a seconder. James Callaghan presciently declared that for a divided party, the referendum might well prove a “rubber life raft into which the whole party may one day have to climb”. The Conservatives too may come eventually need that life raft.

In the House of Lords on 21 February, the former cabinet secretary, Lord Butler, inquired why it was that those “who base arguments for Brexit on the will of the people are now opposed to consulting the people on the outcome of the negotiations”. When he thought he was going to lose in 2016, Nigel Farage said that a further referendum would be needed: there is no doubt that Brexiteers would have continued their campaign to take Britain out of the EU and they would have had every democratic right to do so. But so equally do those who have doubts about the decision.

 

[Papper]

We're so desperate to sign deals with literally anyone that we're going to lift our kimono to anyone that even smiles at us. So we'll end up accepting US agricultural standards as being acceptible for consumption by the UK market. What will that do?

Firstly, UK supermarkets currently have to meet EU standards. Going forwards they wont.
Secondly, any processed foods that we sell into the EU will have to meet EU standards. So will a company making chicken pies have to have two production lines? One using imported chicken for consumption in the UK, another for using EU compliant chicken for export?
Thirdly: How will UK farmers react? Lower standards and compete with US agrigiants? Or maintain standards to sel into a market that is dominated by export?

But hey, taking back control right? Sovereignty, right? Freedom, right?

Its a disgusting $#@!ing $#@!fest of tyranny by abstract $#@!ing nouns. The major $#@!ing problem is that abstract concepts wont put $#@!ing food on the table. $#@!s.

Sounds like TTIP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/11/22/difference-ttip-tpp-does-donald-drump-want-scrapped/

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has described TTIP as “toxic” and resulting in a huge transfer of powers to Brussels and corporate interests that will bring about a form of “modern-day serfdom”.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-ttip-deal-undermining-eu-food-standards-gmos

 

[Papper]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40813702

I see examples of this each day. It brings us back to a point that numerous people have raised repeatedly. The wall of silence is $#@!ing with peoples lives. That in turn is $#@!ing with a number of industries.

I think the popularity of UKIP (in terms of migration) was due to concern over cheap labour to fulfil unskilled roles. Hopefully we'll get a points system one day but I doubt it. The popularity of UKIP indirectly leading to the referendum on European Union.

 

[lemonjelly]

https://brexit853.wordpress.com/2016/09/26/fom-isnt-the-problem-the-problems-are-uk-governments-failure-to-implement-properly/amp/

 

[Jolemai]

 

[visage]

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...s-customs-union-plan-is-an-absolute-dog-s-bre

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It is. A complete joke.

Hey hey though - Fox are making a mini series about Farage for some unknown godforsaken reason.

 

[visage]

I quite like this frictionless trade they're talking about. We should see if other European countries want to form some kind of union based on it....

 

[lemonjelly]

Some of the social implications of this process are deeply disturbing:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-migration-uk-brexit-referendum-latest-net-fall-figures-why-racism-hate-crime-brexodus-government-a7911196.html

“Someone sprayed ‘GO HOME’ on a Polish shop near me,” Lukasz said.

“Racism has shot up, I started noticing at work … I had few passengers arguing between each other.

“My mum had an incident where she was on a bus with my two-year-old sister, where a guy said ‘f**k off, go back to your country you b****, if not I will stab you’.

“Maybe this guy was not mentally stable, and it was reported to the police, but in 20 years of living in the UK I never heard anyone be racist to me or my family. Since the referendum it has all come out. “