REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[AndyWolves]

Cruella offers a guarantee that any EU citizen resident here for five years can stay. I applaud this but:

A) why has it taken so long, shredding goodwill and causing needless concern in the process

B) I was assured that offering this up front is not how you negotiate, something something poker something something

She hasn't said what will happen to people who arrive after the yet to be decided cut-off date.

 

[Tredman]

I'd imagine much the same as people coming from outside the EU - ie play a bloody fortune and expect no rights until you have been here 5 years.

 

[darlowolf64]

She hasn't said what will happen to people who arrive after the yet to be decided cut-off date.

Give her a week and she'll give that bargaining chip away too

 

[Keef]

So does that make it EU 4 UK 0? After giving away those 3 concessions on day 1? Terrible result after only a week into a two year negotiation timeframe,plenty of time to get a result though(no I didn't think so either)

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I would expect that 0 to be unchanged for quite some time.

 

[AndyWolves]

Is this the first of many or nothing to do with brexit?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ropean-base-london-city-germany-a7802081.html

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Is this the first of many or nothing to do with brexit?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ropean-base-london-city-germany-a7802081.html

The Irish Finance Minister said recently that since Brexit so far 5 companies from the city had relocated (either full or in part) to Dublin, 5 more were in the process of doing do, 20 more were in final negotiation with the government/development group etc and a further 100 had been over meeting government officials and generally sussing things out but were yet to make a decision where they will be going.

After that it came out that the Irish government needed to up its game, as both Brussels and Luxembourg City were doing much better with regards to medium and small companies either moving from London or would in the past when coming into EU land have gone to London.

That's before the big beasts like mentioned in the Article where mainly Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Paris are vying for.

So if 130 companies (plus ones not on the governments radar) have moved or are considering going to Dublin and that's "last" in the relocation race then that gives a flavour of whats in the air at the moment.

 

[Trips]

Scaremongering. No big international company will leave the UK. They love us and being in the single biggest trading bloc is not important to them, blah blah blah

 

[leedswolf]

So does that make it EU 4 UK 0? After giving away those 3 concessions on day 1? Terrible result after only a week into a two year negotiation timeframe,plenty of time to get a result though(no I didn't think so either)

Just shows that they need us more than we need them?

 

[Penk Wolf]

So does that make it EU 4 UK 0? After giving away those 3 concessions on day 1? Terrible result after only a week into a two year negotiation timeframe,plenty of time to get a result though(no I didn't think so either)

Assuming the EU agrees, I'd say yesterday was pretty decent for the UK.

 

[Penk Wolf]

The Irish Finance Minister said recently that since Brexit so far 5 companies from the city had relocated (either full or in part) to Dublin, 5 more were in the process of doing do, 20 more were in final negotiation with the government/development group etc and a further 100 had been over meeting government officials and generally sussing things out but were yet to make a decision where they will be going.

After that it came out that the Irish government needed to up its game, as both Brussels and Luxembourg City were doing much better with regards to medium and small companies either moving from London or would in the past when coming into EU land have gone to London.

That's before the big beasts like mentioned in the Article where mainly Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Paris are vying for.

So if 130 companies (plus ones not on the governments radar) have moved or are considering going to Dublin and that's "last" in the relocation race then that gives a flavour of whats in the air at the moment.

How many relocated prior to Brexit and how many have relocated to the UK?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

There will have to be some compromises made on both sides as the reality is proving to be more difficult than the theory when it comes to leaving. The hard ball being played by all sides is not in anyones interest long term. You may score a few political brownie points but thats it. What have we learnt 1 year on? That the EU was daft to let us remain a member without going down the schenghen or single currency route? That this divorce was going to happen because its not a level playing field? That the EU has expanded too fast too quickly and its the richer states that are bearing the strain of increased migration? You could argue for and against all of those statements and give very valid evidence to both back them and disprove them. It is a mess made jointly by the EU and the current government and therefore it is their responsibility to sort it. Other member states will be watching as there is twitchyness all around. Everyone involved in the process needs to be a little more realistic at least or grow up and negotiate at worst. The situation is all down to those in power. Dont blame the voters in a two horse race.

 

[Johnny75]

There will have to be some compromises made on both sides as the reality is proving to be more difficult than the theory when it comes to leaving. The hard ball being played by all sides is not in anyones interest long term. You may score a few political brownie points but thats it. What have we learnt 1 year on? That the EU was daft to let us remain a member without going down the schenghen or single currency route? That this divorce was going to happen because its not a level playing field? That the EU has expanded too fast too quickly and its the richer states that are bearing the strain of increased migration? You could argue for and against all of those statements and give very valid evidence to both back them and disprove them. It is a mess made jointly by the EU and the current government and therefore it is their responsibility to sort it. Other member states will be watching as there is twitchyness all around. Everyone involved in the process needs to be a little more realistic at least or grow up and negotiate at worst. The situation is all down to those in power. Dont blame the voters in a two horse race.

We made the mess not the EU. You wanted to leave now the Leavers should accept the blame.

 

[Penk Wolf]

We made the mess not the EU. You wanted to leave now the Leavers should accept the blame.

Importing more from the rest of the World than we do from the EU, long term, I think as a Country, if we can put ourselves in a similar position to Australia then WTA won't be a bad thing.

It's pretty encouraging that May has had to soften on immigration.

 

[nimrod]

Cruella offers a guarantee that any EU citizen resident here for five years can stay. I applaud this but:

A) why has it taken so long, shredding goodwill and causing needless concern in the process

B) I was assured that offering this up front is not how you negotiate, something something poker something something

agree, and the negotiation issue was always largely bollocks. it's just something that sounded plausible enough as a response to criticism in the toxic political environment. for a negotiation, you'll need to agree fundamental principles, what your objectives are and then you'll no doubt have set yourself some negotiating leeway on how you achieve them - i.e. what you are willing give up in certain areas. you'll struggle to negotiate if you can't agree the fundamentals or communicate your objectives, but you will piss time away.

 

[Johnny75]

Importing more from the rest of the World than we do from the EU, long term, I think as a Country, if we can put ourselves in a similar position to Australia then WTA won't be a bad thing.

It's pretty encouraging that May has had to soften on immigration.

You have far more faith in May and Davis than I do. My point to Cyber was that he was laying the blame for our position on the EU. That's not the case, it is only Leave voters and the Tories that have that accolade. They should accept that and then accept that when we barracked officials and voters about plans it was in the hope they had one and didn't vote with blind stupidity that everything would be better.

The last few days shows what happens when you don't have a plan.

 

[AndyWolves]

I really hope brexit works for us and we end up in a stronger position. Ive not seen an argument or any reasoning that this will happen apart from a potential reduction in immigration and being as immigration helps our economy I'm truly confused

 

[Tredman]

There really is no sensible economic or trade benefit in Brexit. The only possible benefit could be being able become competely independent with internal Governance - though we don't have a great record there...

 

[Penk Wolf]

I really hope brexit works for us and we end up in a stronger position. Ive not seen an argument or any reasoning that this will happen apart from a potential reduction in immigration and being as immigration helps our economy I'm truly confused

If we end up with a soft Brexit (which is looking likely) and we are then able to start our own negotiations with countries outside the EU I think in the long term, as a Country, we will be in a far better position than we are now.

 

[Tredman]

If we end up with a soft Brexit (which is looking likely) and we are then able to start our own negotiations with countries outside the EU I think in the long term, as a Country, we will be in a far better position than we are now.

If we have a soft Brexit, ie inside the customs union, we couldn't negotiate our own free trade deals.