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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

lemonjelly said:
Not sure what your point is. They had insufficient evidence to charge him with a criminal act, so they placed him on a watch list.

Will the UK lose access to such a watch list?
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He had an EU passport. There won't be uncontrolled borders much longer. We couldn't stop him travelling to the UK , we will be able to in the future.
 
thehistorymakers said:
That is bollocks. He was trying to go to Syria and was caught with terrorist material on his telephone. He should have been locked up, before he came to the UK, then he wouldn't have come here to help slaughter innocent unarmed people.
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Absolutely amazed that you have been given access to the evidence.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
Absolutely amazed that you have been given access to the evidence.
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Fairly widely reported he was charged with terrorism offences but then cleared. Allowed to travel Syria and then flew back to Europe. He should've been arrested on his return (as is protocol) but apparently wasn't.

Maybe it was manpower or an intelligence operation that he wasn't arrested on his arrival in the U.K. who knows.
 
Seeing how this appears to now be the European politics thread:

Conflict News @Conflicts

BREAKING: Leader of Spain's Catalonia announces independence referendum for October 1 - @AFP
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Assuming it counts (and I think I read somewhere that Spain won't recognise it), what do you think the result will be THM? :P
 
Jolemai said:
Seeing how this appears to now be the European politics thread:



Assuming it counts (and I think I read somewhere that Spain won't recognise it), what do you think the result will be THM? :P
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Politically drained at the moment. I will come back to you later on this.
 
I'll share an experience with you.

My father in law, who looked after our stores, retired at Christmas. Since then we are now looking for our 5th employee.

Employee 1 - Took an apprentice engineer role with us.
Employee 2 - Sacked for dealing drugs.
Employee 3 - Sacked as he had 20 days off in a 2 month period.
Employee 4 - job not challenging enough for him.

Do you think this is common in the UK with these type of jobs?
 
I'm not an employer so my reference is from within the business I work in, but we have high employment, jobs at a relatively low pay scale are easy to come by, therefore people don't need to keep a role they dislike in a way they probably would have had to 20-30 years ago.
 
What do you think the solution is? Employee someone nearing the end of their career, say late 50s?
 
Jolemai said:
Seeing how this appears to now be the European politics thread:



Assuming it counts (and I think I read somewhere that Spain won't recognise it), what do you think the result will be THM? :P
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Spanish courts may rule it to be illegal like they did in 2014.
 
Penk Wolf said:
I'll share an experience with you.

My father in law, who looked after our stores, retired at Christmas. Since then we are now looking for our 5th employee.

Employee 1 - Took an apprentice engineer role with us.
Employee 2 - Sacked for dealing drugs.
Employee 3 - Sacked as he had 20 days off in a 2 month period.
Employee 4 - job not challenging enough for him.

Do you think this is common in the UK with these type of jobs?
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Similar to anecdotes that I have heard.
 
Maybe choose on a different set of criteria with a different person doing it to get a different perspective. You may have just had bad luck?

I find employing is really hard. Engineers I have no problem with but I have had to get rid of a few in marketing because of different circumstances. Mainly because they were just utter cack at the job. One person took this particular job (marketing) and after 3 months told me marketing wasn't really what they wanted to do, they just wanted a job!

People can be utter arseholes at times.
 
The watch list is not just a couple of hundred. It is far more than that. I do not know exactly nowadays but thousands rather than hundreds. There are 250,000 police officers approximately in the whole of the UK for 70 million people. At least a quarter of those police officers will be on day off on any given day. That takes it down to 185 k available. Working a standard three shift pattern divides that by three so 65000 officers are on duty at any given time on any given day for 70 million people. That's one officer for every 1000 people in the UK at best if my maths holds out. To watch effectively may take two three 4 or even a team of officers and sometimes long term day in day out commitment.

You couldn't effectively police a terrorist watch list with current numbers. You would struggle with any other than the highest profile targets and their associates. Lone wolf type terrorists are therefore almost impossible to detect in advance. You need a o get a really lucky intelligence hit. That said the police and security services thwart the majority, incredibility given the numbers.
 
This is a purely hypothetical post. I do not want or wish to raise any concerns that it is racsist. It is just factual

Since the Steven Lawrence enquiry about 20 years ago the police service was required to be more reflective of its community in its make up. There fore positive action initiatives were implemented to improve recruitment from under repressed groups. That included females or all backgrounds and BME candidates. I am certain that even though improvements have been made pretty much no police force actually does represent it community in terms of make up, not even close.

So if you are looking to watch someone closely, straightaway you could be hampered unless your target group is white male.

The security services do an amazing job, maintaining a low profile, intelligence led approach to keep us all safe and ensure we , by and large, are safe. We live in one of the safest countries in the world where being a victim of any type of crime is a low risk. I read that you are more likely to injure yourself going to the loo than be a victim of serious crime , if the statistics are to be believed.
 
Jolemai said:
Seeing how this appears to now be the European politics thread:



Assuming it counts (and I think I read somewhere that Spain won't recognise it), what do you think the result will be THM? :P
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I see Guardiola went to a Cataluña independent demonstration yesterday. He said Spain was repressive and Quatar should be commended for their human rights. Utter wanker.
 
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