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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

The state of people actually being annoyed that Le Pen lost as it will be bad for Brexit.

If making Brexit work means wanting the likes of Le Pen in power then maybe it wasn't such a great idea in the first place. I am delighted she lost.
 
Emmanuel Macron.

I am a hard Brexiter. I think that Europe has made a mistake negotiating the inter-governmental accord [the “special status” deal David Cameron struck with the EU in February last year]. It created a precedent, which is that a single state can twist the European debate to its own interests. Cameron was toying with Europe and we agreed to go along with it, which was a big mistake.

Britain must understand that our interest in the medium to long term is to have clear rules. So if Britain wants to trade with Europe it has to choose a model, such as the Swiss, Norwegian or Canadian. We have to accept that there are losses. But it’s the British who will lose the most. You cannot enjoy rights in Europe if you are not a member – otherwise it will fall apart. Europe is what has enabled us since 1945, in an unprecedented way, to preserve peace, security, freedom and prosperity in our continent. The British are making a serious mistake over the long term. [Foreign secretary] Boris Johnson enjoys giving flamboyant speeches but has no strategic vision; the turmoil he created the day after Brexit proves it. [Former leader of Ukip] Nigel Farage and Mr Johnson are responsible for this crime: they sailed the ship into battle and jumped overboard at the moment of crisis. Theresa May has handled it but what has been happening since then? On the geopolitical level as well as on the financial, realignment and submission to the US. What is going to happen is not “taking back control”: it’s servitude.


https://monocle.com/magazine/issues/101/eyes-on-the-elysee/
 
Haha indeed

Good to see the anti-EU candidate get absolutely $#@!ing hosed. Just like Wilders did.

11 million people voted for her, that is amazing. Macron didn't win because he was pro Europe, he won because he wasn't a fascist. UKIP only got 4 million votes in the general election, but the UK still voted to leave the EU.
 
Yeah. Voting against a fascist is sooooo terrible.

Im beginning to think there is no political philosophy that brexiteers wont defend if it suits them.
 
The people have spoken Trev. Why won't you listen to their racist beliefs and bullshit nostalgia?
 
Emmanuel Macron.

I am a hard Brexiter. I think that Europe has made a mistake negotiating the inter-governmental accord [the “special status” deal David Cameron struck with the EU in February last year]. It created a precedent, which is that a single state can twist the European debate to its own interests. Cameron was toying with Europe and we agreed to go along with it, which was a big mistake.

Britain must understand that our interest in the medium to long term is to have clear rules. So if Britain wants to trade with Europe it has to choose a model, such as the Swiss, Norwegian or Canadian. We have to accept that there are losses. But it’s the British who will lose the most. You cannot enjoy rights in Europe if you are not a member – otherwise it will fall apart. Europe is what has enabled us since 1945, in an unprecedented way, to preserve peace, security, freedom and prosperity in our continent. The British are making a serious mistake over the long term. [Foreign secretary] Boris Johnson enjoys giving flamboyant speeches but has no strategic vision; the turmoil he created the day after Brexit proves it. [Former leader of Ukip] Nigel Farage and Mr Johnson are responsible for this crime: they sailed the ship into battle and jumped overboard at the moment of crisis. Theresa May has handled it but what has been happening since then? On the geopolitical level as well as on the financial, realignment and submission to the US. What is going to happen is not “taking back control”: it’s servitude.


https://monocle.com/magazine/issues/101/eyes-on-the-elysee/

Well that's a good start. Worry about sorting your own shit first Monsieur le Presidente . Go for a hard brexit. Short term you will all be able to wave your dicks. Medium to long term though when your cartel is being weighed down by 15 also ran economies and Britain is doing fine on is own please excuse me when I say baise toi ! Petit trou!
 
Are you saying that 11 million people voting for a far right candidate is a good thing?

Actually yes it was. It shows the centre and the left how much they need to do to win people over. There are issues in France that need addressing ,even if some compromise is required. Macron is tasked with pulling that together. 34% voted for le Pen. The same percentage of vote that gave the Tories a majority. Thank fuck France didn't have our system and turned it into a two horse race!

Now please don't fire back with its or buts or call me a fascist sympathiser. I am pleased for world peace that macron won. But don't think for a minute this result solves Frances problems. It doesn't but its a step towards unity
 
Yeah. Voting against a fascist is sooooo terrible.

Im beginning to think there is no political philosophy that brexiteers wont defend if it suits them.

You speak as if all brexiters are right wing. They are not.
 
And it will never ever ever happen in this country

So get used to this shit then. Don't blame the politicians when its the system that's fucked. 66% disenfranchised people here.The same number that elected the French president by a landslide. And the general electorate still don't get it. First post the post stinks, its divisive , ensures one party with a majority can rule mob handed and we the people let it. Suffer on then you suckers! If you do what you've always done you'll get what you always got.
#welcomebackmaggielight
 
In some ways I agree, but you are asking the two biggest beneficiaries of FPTP to sign up to something else to replace a system which has ensured that one or the other of them has been in power for virtually a century.

So Labour and the Conservatives will never dip a toe in the PR waters again. And they have the power. And that is basically all she wrote.
 
So Labour and the Conservatives will never dip a toe in the PR waters again. And they have the power. And that is basically all she wrote.

I thought Labour were considering putting it in their manifesto? Not that it makes much difference as they aren't going to win or be in a coalition anytime soon but at least there is some hope for PR in the future. I think it will happen eventually.
 
I thought Labour were considering putting it in their manifesto? Not that it makes much difference as they aren't going to win or be in a coalition anytime soon but at least there is some hope for PR in the future. I think it will happen eventually.

Please god!
 
They are only putting it in this time as they know they have zero chance of winning.

Plus, just say they did, and they tried to enact it. They would have all those comfy Conservative MPs blocking it.

Also, in reality, FPTP ensures Labour representation in parliament beyond the pure numbers value of its heartland support. No way are they going to willingly change that.
 
Are you saying that 11 million people voting for a far right candidate is a good thing?

No I am not. I am saying France is so fucked, that it was the choice between a fascist and an unknown with almost no political experience. The main parties are so discredited that it came to this. This is not a new dawn for France, just a realisation that it is Fucked.
 
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