REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Deutsch Wolf]

I truly believe Britain is and will continue to be one of the most if not the most tolerant and diverse country in the world long after we have left the union. It is part of what makes us great. As regards racists- yes there are plenty in the UK. There are plenty in the USA too. There are plenty everywhere. What the uk has shown by and larege over the last 30 years is that racism is not the norm and will not be generally tolerated, same as sexism. There are a hell of a lot more nationlistic countries that the UK . Poland and Croatia for starters!

There are people I really dont like. They can be male, female black white straight or Gay. I dont like them for reasons other than anything to do with their race, sex prefernce or gender .

Who better to lead this inclusive, diverse, multicultural, welcoming society than a man who is on record as calling black people 'picanninies' with 'watermelon smiles'?

 

[slink]

I'm disappointed that the majority voted out and mainly because a lot of them from what i have seen didn't have legitimate reasons for doing so. I've spoken to a few people who i thought had good reasons for voting out and understood their point but when i see many people voting out because of immigration like we wave a magic wand and it all becomes great again and posts like get the foreigners out and some who didn't even realise that the pound would suffer but yet have voted.

 

[James]

So the Scottish will get another independence vote and will join the EU. I've read the posts on here and I didn't realize how bad people were taking the result. A revote isnt the right answer but this is the eye of the storm and the stocks will get better and then people may see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[visage]

I hope that in the next 30 years, we have a generation of young people, who are proud to be British, not in a nationalistic way, but are proud of our herritage, history, armed forces, heads of state and politicians. Instead of generations of young people that are indoctrinated to put unelected buracratic officials from other countries, before are own goverments.

We can only do this by uniting are people, working hard, respecting are brothers from other ethnicities that live in the UK and build a nation to be proud of.

The EU is a failure. It has been for years. It's time to move on.

Its pretty patronising to make sweeping statements as to the voting motivations of others without knowing them

 

[thehistorymakers]

I'm disappointed that the majority voted out and mainly because a lot of them from what i have seen didn't have legitimate reasons for doing so. I've spoken to a few people who i thought had good reasons for voting out and understood their point but when i see many people voting out because of immigration like we wave a magic wand and it all becomes great again and posts like get the foreigners out and some who didn't even realise that the pound would suffer but yet have voted.

There are young people who voted remain who have no idea about politics, how the EU works, but want to travel or live abroad. They can vote what they like, the same as the leave camp do.

The reason it's so hard to take, is because you couldn't see the suffering of working class people. You cared about immigrants ( that's good), gays ( that's fine), you cared about everything but the suffering of working class people. You walked out your doors and you were blind. That is why I believe this has happened. The EU is fucked from top to bottom. There is poverty and austerity all over the EU, but you never blame EU austerity measures. The UK, is the first, but others will follow.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Its pretty patronising to make sweeping statements as to the voting motivations of others without knowing them

Haha, all I have heard all day, is sweeping statements of stupid ignorant, uneducated, bigoted, racist, and old people, who voted to leave. I didn't see you say one word about that!

 

[slink]

There are young people who voted remain who have no idea about politics, how the EU works, but want to travel or live abroad. They can vote what they like, the same as the leave camp do.

The reason it's so hard to take, is because you couldn't see the suffering of working class people. You cared about immigrants ( that's good), gays ( that's fine), you cared about everything but the suffering of working class people. You walked out your doors and you were blind. That is why I believe this has happened. The EU is fucked from top to bottom. There is poverty and austerity all over the EU, but you never blame EU austerity measures. The UK, is the first, but others will follow.

WOW!! Thanks for telling me what i did and thanks for telling me it's fine to care about gays and immigrants as i wasn't sure about that. I couldn't see the suffering of working class people yet that is exactly what i am a working class person from a working class family. My parents are in their 50's and 60s yet voted remain too. I'm not saying the EU was perfect but there were several benefits to being part of it that i'm not sure the government in this country are able to put plans in place to cover for the loss of that.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I hope that in the next 30 years, we have a generation of young people, who are proud to be British, not in a nationalistic way, but are proud of our herritage, history, armed forces, heads of state and politicians. Instead of generations of young people that are indoctrinated to put unelected buracratic officials from other countries, before are own goverments.

We can only do this by uniting are people, working hard, respecting are brothers from other ethnicities that live in the UK and build a nation to be proud of.

The EU is a failure. It has been for years. It's time to move on.

Yet of the places you could've gone to live you chose a 'broken' EU country, strange.

There are young people who voted remain who have no idea about politics, how the EU works, but want to travel or live abroad. They can vote what they like, the same as the leave camp do.

The reason it's so hard to take, is because you couldn't see the suffering of working class people. You cared about immigrants ( that's good), gays ( that's fine), you cared about everything but the suffering of working class people. You walked out your doors and you were blind. That is why I believe this has happened. The EU is fucked from top to bottom. There is poverty and austerity all over the EU, but you never blame EU austerity measures. The UK, is the first, but others will follow.

There is plenty that could've been done to improve British people's lives without leaving the EU. Many of the reasons people have put forward for leaving are down to choices made by the UK government rather than those rat bastards in Brussels.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

For the umpteenth time, the penury the working classes have had to pay in Britain has been down to Conservative austerity, ideologically led as it is. It has got nothing to do with the EU, they were not giving Osborne and IDS pointers from Brussels about how to fuck the poor. They're perfectly adept at doing that on their own.

Absolutely no-one voted for Britain to leave the EU in solidarity with unemployed Spaniards or Greeks.

 

[Freddeno]

Which is fine, just know that racial tensions inevitably played a part in this vote, and, given the margin of victory for Leave, likely a decisive one.

yeah alan i think yoiu are right, the racist partiest are getting votes all across the world..why? because we are afriad, losing our jobs, people working for a tenner..etc...so, what can we do about it, well I dont know...slightly surprised gb had gone this way but not overly surprised..

How can we turn this around?? I dont think its an easy way..more countries are gonna demand voting out of EU, we will see if EU still exist in 2-3 years time, doubt it

 

[Alan]

yeah alan i think yoiu are right, the racist partiest are getting votes all across the world..why? because we are afriad, losing our jobs, people working for a tenner..etc...so, what can we do about it, well I dont know...slightly surprised gb had gone this way but not overly surprised..

How can we turn this around?? I dont think its an easy way..more countries are gonna demand voting out of EU, we will see if EU still exist in 2-3 years time, doubt it

Because we've ignored the causes of the violence and inequality in Africa and the Middle East, and now the people displaced from those areas are moving to safer locales in numbers that can't be ignored. Unfortunately, it's far easier and politically rewarding to make these refugees the bad guys, rather than try to fix the issues that drove them to Europe in the first place.

People care much more about something that's on their doorstep than the unemployment of people on a different continent.

 

[thehistorymakers]

For the umpteenth time, the penury the working classes have had to pay in Britain has been down to Conservative austerity, ideologically led as it is. It has got nothing to do with the EU, they were not giving Osborne and IDS pointers from Brussels about how to $#@! the poor. They're perfectly adept at doing that on their own.

Absolutely no-one voted for Britain to leave the EU in solidarity with unemployed Spaniards or Greeks.

If the UK was governed so badly, why did so many people want to live there?

It is without doubt the most tollerant county, as to employing black and Asian people in the EU.. Our goverments must take credit for that, not the EU, because you won't find a black or asian working for the Spanish, Italian, i would of thought Greek railways, post office, police, judiciary ect ect services. That is because British people, tought by British education systems and advised and guided by British governments. Nothing to do with the EU, becuse their is massive racism in the countries mentioned. That is British tolerance, not EU tolerance. That's to our credit, nothing to do with the EU.

 

[Tony Towner]

1.21 pound to euro
1.34 pound to dollar

Tourist rates as of now.
Hardly Armageddon. Again

We need to see how the currency markets play out over the next couple of weeks, but the £ had dropped from around $1.48 to $1.37 from when the referendum was called that's 7.5%. As the vast majority of consumer durables purchased in this country are made in China and imported in dollars. There are 4 options as to who will bear the brunt of this; the manufacturer, the importer, the retailer or the consumer. As someone that works in this industry I can tell you will a fair amount of certainty who it will be.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

If the UK was governed so badly, why did so many people want to live there?

Primarily because we speak English which is overwhelmingly the world's most spoken second language.

It is without doubt the most tollerant county, as to employing black and Asian people in the EU.. Our goverments must take credit for that, not the EU, because you won't find a black or asian working for the Spanish, Italian, i would of thought Greek railways, post office, police, judiciary ect ect services. That is because British people, tought by British education systems and advised and guided by British governments. Nothing to do with the EU, becuse their is massive racism in the countries mentioned. That is British tolerance, not EU tolerance. That's to our credit, nothing to do with the EU.

That hasn't got anything to do with the point I made. You said we were right to leave the EU partly in response to EU austerity. I'm telling you that the EU has had no hand whatsoever in a Conservative government pursuing an austerity-led agenda for six years.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Its pretty patronising to make sweeping statements as to the voting motivations of others without knowing them

it is pretty naive to compare a stock market reaction to brexit to 25 years costs of membership when you know stocks and shares are volatile to any unforeseen change. Yet you did.

 

[Penk Wolf]

We need to see how the currency markets ply out over the next couple of weeks, but the £ had dropped from around $1.48 to $1.37 from when the referendum was called that's 7.5%. As the vast majority of consumer durables purchased in this country are made in China and imported in dollars. There are 4 options as to who will bear the brunt of this; the manufacturer, the importer, the retailer or the consumer. As someone that works in this industry I can tell you will a fair amounting certainty who it will be.

As I've mentioned before, China is keen for us to deal in Renminbi and the Chinese government will make sure it's weak so it happens.

HSBC have been pushing the use for a long time too.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Primarily because we speak English which is overwhelmingly the world's most spoken second language.



That hasn't got anything to do with the point I made. You said we were right to leave the EU partly in response to EU austerity. I'm telling you that the EU has had no hand whatsoever in a Conservative government pursuing an austerity-led agenda for six years.

DW . No-one has answered my Corbyn question above. What is your position please?

Secondly we are 2 years and a hell of a lot of negotiation away from leaving. In between we will have a new Prime minister probably a new leader of the opposition and a new president. Wednesdays rise in the pound was because speculators thought remain would win and bought sterling. They gambled and lost. That will give 2 years max before an election. Labour should be targeting that as a hung parliament at worst. Is Corbyn the man to do that? I await your response

Carswell is the man I would see leading UKIP in the future. He has done a really good job as a moderate UKIP voice.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

DW . No-one has answered my Corbyn question above. What is your position please?

Secondly we are 2 years and a hell of a lot of negotiation away from leaving. In between we will have a new Prime minister probably a new leader of the opposition and a new president. Wednesdays rise in the pound was because speculators thought remain would win and bought sterling. They gambled and lost. That will give 2 years max before an election. Labour should be targeting that as a hung parliament at worst. Is Corbyn the man to do that? I await your response

Carswell is the man I would see leading UKIP in the future. He has done a really good job as a moderate UKIP voice.

We could also have a new Government. I expect there to be a general election within twelve months. And presuming that Labour ditch Corbyn, that could go either way.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't know about Corbyn. I maintain he has more to say to people like me than the likes of Liz Kendall, Andy Burnham would probably have been a candidate who would have been less polarising in the long run and he is a fundamentally decent man, but he ran a terrible campaign. As he's now on about running for Mayor of Manchester it looks like that ship has sailed anyway. I like aspects of what Corbyn stands for, but can I see him making Labour into a particularly electable force? Probably not at this stage, though it depends to what extent the Tories implode.

I didn't vote Labour in 2015 because I don't want watered down Tory policies. If there were an election tomorrow then I might still vote Green again as I feel they most accurately represent my feelings on society and inclusion which make no mistake, are going to be absolutely key areas in the coming years. But I have more chance of voting Labour than I did 12 months ago.

UKIP are going to have to seriously re-invent themselves or they're done now, their purpose has been served. As it stands they have a reputation for producing completely incoherent manifestos with domestic policy that may as well be literally written on the back of a fag packet. Carswell seemed to rule himself out last night.

 

[Tony Towner]

As I've mentioned before, China is keen for us to deal in Renminbi and the Chinese government will make sure it's weak so it happens.

HSBC have been pushing the use for a long time too.

I know you've said that before Penk, but I can assure you that neither the business I work for (16bn $ worldwide Corp, UK divisional t/o of £80m+) or any of our competitors buy or trade in RMB it is all dollars. It also isn't requested by or pushed by any of the factories. This may change as a result of today, although being American owned I doubt we'd go that way. At the moment I guarantee you that in the next 6 months none food prices will go up if the £ remains weak.