REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Penk Wolf]

We didn't.

Workers have to sign an opt out. The UK didn't get out of the directive. It is entirely voluntary upon the individual. The country is signed up

Are we the only Country with the opt out?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

We have 2 years of negotiations to do something no other country has done. I think all options are on the table and therefore all should be considered even if they may or may not conflict with existing treaties.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Are we the only Country with the opt out?

No.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I imagine that'll be popular with the people of NI. Essentially what you're saying to NI is if you didn't vote Brexit, it's tough $#@! oh and you need a passport to travel to the U.K. which you're still a part of.

Small price to pay for you not wanting something you didn't vote for. Suck it up cupcake you're out of the EU and you'll like it OK.

You can't divide the UK up like that, what's next, Scots need a passport to travel to England? and do mainland Britons need a passport to travel to NI as they couldn't get back without one and who does those checks? Essentially your goal is to break up the Union isn't it, starting with the isolation of NI.

But you don't have a border control with the south which is what you wanted

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We have 2 years of negotiations to do something no other country has done. I think all options are on the table and therefore all should be considered even if they may or may not conflict with existing treaties.

Now here I can get on board with what you are saying. Yes - new broom and all that and everything can start on the table. That is true from OUR point of view because we are doing something new.

The problem is the other side of the negotiating table, where change isn't occurring. We have to find some way to encourage 27 other countries (or at least the vast majority of them, I can't remember the exact number) to accept our ideas.

And the real fly in the ointment is that if we have less than the required number on our side by March 29 2019 then ALL BETS ARE OFF. We leave with NOTHING. ZIP. NADA.

 

[leedswolf]

It's a directive. Therefore each sovereign parliament passes it's own laws to comply.

 

[Johnny75]

No last time I checked Scotland wasn't an island. So lets just wait and see

What about the other part of the post, what happens when mainland Britons travel to NI and why are you singling out NI citizens for special treatment?

You do realise I and many like me hold you personally responsible for the mess we are in now so your negotiators better get this right. No coming together, you fucked it you had better unfuck it.

 

[Johnny75]

But you don't have a border control with the south which is what you wanted

Nope, not what I wanted.

 

[Penk Wolf]

It's a directive. Therefore each sovereign parliament passes it's own laws to comply.

So in theory, the EU could close borders but Ireland's sovereign could pass a law that they still have an open border with the UK?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

What about the other part of the post, what happens when mainland Britons travel to NI and why are you singling out NI citizens for special treatment?

You do realise I and many like me hold you personally responsible for the mess we are in now so your negotiators better get this right. No coming together, you $#@!ed it you had better un$#@! it.

because it is unique in Europe. A 2 country island one half in the EU the other subject to brexit and neither wanting a new border

We will. And when we have I will ask you to bend over and take your medicine. I will administer it personally. With great pleasure and with much aplomb. I will of course charge the video.

I remain convinced we will be better off but can't prove it. You remain convinced we will he worse off but can't prove it. Time Will tell.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So in theory, the EU could close borders but Ireland's sovereign could pass a law that they still have an open border with the UK?

Yes they could but that would be a piece of piss and that's not in any ones interest lol!

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Nope, not what I wanted.

You're in the minority there I believe....... Again

 

[Penk Wolf]

Yes they could but that would be a piece of piss and that's not in any ones interest lol!

I can see why it's unworkable, and hope open borders remain. However, it sounds as if we can, in theory, make agreements (Or keep existing) with separate Countries within the EU.

 

[Johnny75]

So in theory, the EU could close borders but Ireland's sovereign could pass a law that they still have an open border with the UK?

Much like Switzerland and Norway I would think, but then you'd have to subscribe to freedom of movement too and Brexiteers want to control that. Those two things are not compatible or controllable.

Also those two countries have a deal with the EU not the individual countries that border them.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

So in theory, the EU could close borders but Ireland's sovereign could pass a law that they still have an open border with the UK?

No. Because the open borders are part of the original treaty. All done and dusted years ago.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Brexit is soooooo big I really want us to get it right. Primarily for the people if Britain but if it also works for elsewhere that's a compromise worth doing.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

No. Because the open borders are part of the original treaty. All done and dusted years ago.

Yes and my idea the border would still be an open one with and Ireland exemption hence why I can't see why it's against a treaty

 

[Johnny75]

because it is unique in Europe. A 2 country island one half in the EU the other subject to brexit and neither wanting a new border

We will. And when we have I will ask you to bend over and take your medicine. I will administer it personally. With great pleasure and with much aplomb. I will of course charge the video.

I remain convinced we will be better off but can't prove it. You remain convinced we will he worse off but can't prove it. Time Will tell.

I wonder what all of the Brexiteers will do when a deal is not reached or is a very bad deal on the face of it. Will you all apologise?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It isn't the way it works at all. The EU negotiates and creates as a bloc and then the countries must bring that law into its own legislation. You can't just flaunt the decision with the enacting legislation. That is nonsensical.

I actually look forward to seeing some of these fantasy negotiations collapse. Then people might actually learn.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Cyprus?