REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[visage]

That is where I differ from you, I never looked at my own personal circumstances, I always looked as the the EU as a whole. It does bother me that billions of EU money ( taxpayers money) has been wasted in the south of the EU. It does bother me that low paid workers in those countries and indeed our own are worse off than before we joined the EU. It also bothers me that people in the place that they were born can't get a job and companies are employing people from other countries before the people who live in those areas and depend on agricultural work, or whatever local work there is.
I have never sat in a cosy corner and thought well I'm ok, so therefore the EU is ok.

So your solution to reforming the EU is to leave it?

 

[visage]

I don't get the Irish border issue. Just make Irish citizens a special case with freedom of movement and right to live and work in the UK and vice versa a reciprocal arrangement for Brits in Ireland. Its not hard its noit a deal breaker for the EU and it recognises how close Britain and Ireland are. One of the easier hurdles and a good precedent to set if the wee free men and Nicola insanely vote to leave the union and increase there own tax burdern 3 fold. I can't see it. Wee free men are canny when it comes to the vasvaslue of a pound

The EU is a bloc. Individual nations arent allowed to negotiate individual deals - especially ones that violate fundamental EU freedoms.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Makes a mockery of our claims to have a strong negotiating hand. The EU needs a deal that all members agree on, we have said we will leave with no deal.

$#@! Creek and the paddle shop only accepts euros.

http://gakuran.com/love-land-a-quirky-korean-sex-park/

And so the 2 year pissing contest begins

 

[Deleted Cyber]

The EU is a bloc. Individual nations arent allowed to negotiate individual deals - especially ones that violate fundamental EU freedoms.

How does no border violate the EU freedoms? Nonsense

No border now , no border post brexit. Piece of fucking piss

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So your solution to reforming the EU is to leave it?

The arrogant eurocrats failed to listen to our concerns for 20 years His.They completely misjudged the real view of Britain and are in danger of doing the same in France Denmnark and the Netherlands. Incredibly arrogant and they will be "stunned and appalled" when another EU country follows suit. I am getting bored with the rhetoric from all sides now. Vote done. JFDI!

We also just keep waving Willie's on this thread. Guess what. We are all about the same size! Put em away chaps. Here comes king dong lol!

 

[Papper]

So, the first spanner in the works:


So thats just one country with a special demand that needs to be met. Only 26 to go....

Well, they negotiate. Not difficult is it. That's what happens when people want change. You never know they may even strike an even more mutually beneficial trade deal.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I don't get the Irish border issue. Just make Irish citizens a special case with freedom of movement and right to live and work in the UK and vice versa a reciprocal arrangement for Brits in Ireland. Its not hard its noit a deal breaker for the EU and it recognises how close Britain and Ireland are. One of the easier hurdles and a good precedent to set if the wee free men and Nicola insanely vote to leave the union and increase there own tax burdern 3 fold. I can't see it. Wee free men are canny when it comes to the vasvaslue of a pound

How would you determine who were Irish citizens without border control? It is border control that will be the issue.

 

[visage]

How does no border violate the EU freedoms? Nonsense

No border now , no border post brexit. Piece of fucking piss

No border now, because its between two EU nations - FoM reigns.

No border post brexit = effectively allowing a non EU country (the UK) to provide an open door into the EU via Ireland. Consider the situation now if, say Poland decided they would allow unlimited immigration from Russia, and therefore into the UK.

So no, not a piece of fucking piss.

 

[Johnny75]

How does no border violate the EU freedoms? Nonsense

No border now , no border post brexit. Piece of $#@!ing piss

In your example, polish nationals could travel to Ireland then walk across the border to NI and onto a ferry to the UK. All unchallenged.

Might take a while to remove everybody that wants to do that.

 

[visage]

Well, they negotiate. Not difficult is it. That's what happens when people want change. You never know they may even strike an even more mutually beneficial trade deal.

What happens if our deal with Ireland is unacceptable to, say, the Spanish? Who do we appease given that we need both their votes?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

How would you determine who were Irish citizens without border control? It is border control that will be the issue.

Who cares? Northern Ireland? Doubt it.You need passports to get onto the island, after that who cares?

 

[Papper]

The EU is a bloc. Individual nations arent allowed to negotiate individual deals - especially ones that violate fundamental EU freedoms.

Okay so take the UK out of the equation and imports into EIRE from the EU become far more expensive and we stop buying their beef etc etc.
What benefit would that be to anybody? It's all scaremongering when much of what is written into the single market will remain intact.

 

[visage]

Who cares? Northern Ireland? Doubt it.You need passports to get onto the island, after that who cares?

You dont care about unlimited immigration into the UK?

 

[Johnny75]

Okay so take the UK out of the equation and imports into EIRE from the EU become far more expensive and we stop buying their beef etc etc.
What benefit would that be to anybody? It's all scaremongering when much of what is written into the single market will remain intact.

Isn't this just an extension of 'we'll still be in the single market'?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

In your example, polish nationals could travel to Ireland then walk across the border to NI and onto a ferry to the UK. All unchallenged.

Might take a while to remove everybody that wants to do that.

No they couidnt as the ferry would have a non EU border post brexit. Just like it used to. It really is not hard to go back to something we already had 30 years ago.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

You dont care about unlimited immigration into the UK?

Have you seen how few are in northern ireland? About 2%! Tiny! Why woulkd thast change?

 

[Johnny75]

No they couidnt as the ferry would have a non EU border post brexit. Just like it used to. It really is not hard to go back to something we already had 30 years ago.

So do NI residents have to show their passports every time they want to come into GB?

 

[Papper]

What happens if our deal with Ireland is unacceptable to, say, the Spanish? Who do we appease given that we need both their votes?

If the EU tells Spain they cannot strike a deal with the UK then Spain will tell the EU to go forth and multiply. We'll import fruit from elsewhere. Isolating the UK is not a solution the EU wants or needs.

 

[Del Woppio]

THEY NEED US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM AND STUFF

 

[visage]

I think this thread might be a useful source of hilarity over the next two years as these assumptions come crashing down.