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thehistorymakers said:
Because there will be less people going for the same job, eventually. This will help swing all the bargaining power that is now in favour of the company back a little to the worker.
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But we've already established that any changes in immigration will be minimal. The big businesses that hold the government's ear aren't going to demand something that raises their costs. Combine that with removal of worker protections and its hard to envisage any significant change in pay and conditions as a result of Brexit.

... Unless you're a lawyer.
 
darlowolf64 said:
No it won't...The conservatives will squash the Unions
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That is why Corbyn and labour need a kick up the arse for missing the opportunity brexit has given them. The worse government for 30 years is fortunate to have the worst opposition for 40 years
 
So the poor will still be poor, immigration wont drop. Anything else?
 
Visage said:
So the poor will still be poor, immigration wont drop. Anything else?
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Yes. I will at least be able to vote for people to represent me here rather than Brussels having their say on me. If we had stayed in the EU nothing would have changed. Now it can.
 
Ah - we've finally found something that will actually happen. SO now we have that freedom, what laws would you like to see change?
 
Visage said:
Ah - we've finally found something that will actually happen. SO now we have that freedom, what laws would you like to see change?
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I dont know. I haven't looked at the laws that I would want to change. I would want to consider them in the context of what is fit for post brexit Britain. What may not be working now may work post Brexit and vica versa.

I have in previous posts outlined what I would like to see happen. All of that has been discussed, critiqued, accepted or dismissed on this thread, which is exactly the point of the thread. I dont know exactly what will happen post brexit now anymore than I did before the vote and nor do you. You also dont expect me to ask you for next weeks lottery results either do you.

So what do I want to change or see changed? In no particular order- I would be happy if brexit in five years has delivered or contributed politically to the following.
1. I want to walk through the streets of Cambridge and not be accosted or asked for money by beggars with eastern European accents.And for Cambridge include any city or town in the UK.
2. I want the highest possible animal welfare laws in the UK and cameras in every abbatior to prevent cruelty.
3. I want only responsibly farmed or caught fish to be available in the UK
4. I want 10 police forces not 43 and an end to crime commissioners. A regional assembly should set policing priorities. That's 33 chief constable jobs gone at 150k each.
5. I want fire police and ambulance services to share facilities where possible including the same computer spec and where possible vehicle spec.
6. I want an end to migrant shanty tent towns.
7. I want seasonal migrant workers to only be welcome with an identity card and their DNA held on file here.
8. I want universal basic income to be fully investigated, costed and debated as an alternative to a welfare state system
9. I want tax loop holes for big corporations closed where possible
10.I want as many trade agreements with as many countries as they like. I want them on decent terms as well
11.I want the NHS to actively claim every penny back it spends on foreign nationals. The current deficit is 600 million. I would do the job for free on a percentage of what I claimed back , so confident am I that it would be and could be done

That will do for starters. My team won, the night is young and I am doing the cooking so its enough politics for one day.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
I dont know. I haven't looked at the laws that I would want to change. I would want to consider them in the context of what is fit for post brexit Britain. What may not be working now may work post Brexit and vica versa.

I have in previous posts outlined what I would like to see happen. All of that has been discussed, critiqued, accepted or dismissed on this thread, which is exactly the point of the thread. I dont know exactly what will happen post brexit now anymore than I did before the vote and nor do you. You also dont expect me to ask you for next weeks lottery results either do you.

So what do I want to change or see changed? In no particular order- I would be happy if brexit in five years has delivered or contributed politically to the following.
1. I want to walk through the streets of Cambridge and not be accosted or asked for money by beggars with eastern European accents.And for Cambridge include any city or town in the UK.

You want laws that outlaw begging. We can do that without leaving the EU.

2. I want the highest possible animal welfare laws in the UK and cameras in every abbatior to prevent cruelty.

We can do this without leaving the EU

3. I want only responsibly farmed or caught fish to be available in the UK

We can do this without leaving the EU


4. I want 10 police forces not 43 and an end to crime commissioners. A regional assembly should set policing priorities. That's 33 chief constable jobs gone at 150k each.

We can do this without leaving the EU

5. I want fire police and ambulance services to share facilities where possible including the same computer spec and where possible vehicle spec.

We can do this without leaving the EU

6. I want an end to migrant shanty tent towns.

We can do this without leaving the EU


7. I want seasonal migrant workers to only be welcome with an identity card and their DNA held on file here.

You want to treat people as potential criminals based on their nationality. We probably need to leave the EU for this.


8. I want universal basic income to be fully investigated, costed and debated as an alternative to a welfare state system

We can do this without leaving the EU

9. I want tax loop holes for big corporations closed where possible

We can do this without leaving the EU

10.I want as many trade agreements with as many countries as they like. I want them on decent terms as well

First bit is probably straight forward...

11.I want the NHS to actively claim every penny back it spends on foreign nationals. The current deficit is 600 million. I would do the job for free on a percentage of what I claimed back , so confident am I that it would be and could be done

Already law and we were in the EU when it was passed.

That will do for starters. My team won, the night is young and I am doing the cooking so its enough politics for one day.
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With the exception of the obvious things about trade deals and immigration - not much her that is relevant to being in or out of the EU.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
With the exception of the obvious things about trade deals and immigration - not much her that is relevant to being in or out of the EU.
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and thats the point isnt it. We voted to leave for a variety of reasons. Now thats history this is what I want to see post brexit. I never said its because of brexit. I repeat no fucker has a crystal ball and can tell anyone what brexit exactly looks like. But when it happens I want that list to be worked on by whoever is in power. But to answer your points.
1.I have laws that outlaw begging.Correct. I dont want the beggars here. Its simple.That is easier post brexit as they dont have a right to stay. Tick . Job done , Bye.
2.As for animal welfare I would argue that our imported meat does not meet our high standards and that the EU standards are lesser than ours. So again, post brexit we can sharpen up
3 Fish- signed up to the fisheries policy arent we so are guided by the EU. I may be wrong but they dont sign up to the line caught dolphin friendly approach do they?
4. Agreed we can do this without leaving the EU
5 No we cant. We cant create a monopoly on vehicles I belive we have to have a tender process that is fair to all across the EU. Bollocks as France does as it likes but hey ho
6. We have to agree to differ. Police cant shift tent shanties as long as they are not tresspassing as they have a right to be here at the moment. That changes post brexit as they become and illegal immigarant. See answer one. Box ticked bye!
7. Yes I do. DNA passports DNA ID cards. I have seen so many criminals from abroad come here undetected as that is the negative side of not signing up to shenghen. No DNA= no entry. That can only happen post brexit.
8 Agreed. We could have done this in the EU but would be more feasible out of the EU equation IMHO
9. Agreed we could do this in the EU but havent. Why?
10. We would only be negotiating tade deals post brexit
11.Again we could have done this but didnt/ Why?
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Why do they become illegal immigrants suddenly?
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Because they have no job no house and therefore no work permit as freedom of movement has gone. So that's it. They become illegals as they overstay. Get a job, stop begging, get into a home or hostel, start contributing financially, however small, get a work permit. Stay. I have no issue with that scenario either.
 
Why on earth does it matter what accent a beggar has? I can't tell if you want less beggars out of wanting people to be better off or because you find them a nuisance when you want to walks the streets of Cambridge.
 
YoungWolf said:
Why on earth does it matter what accent a beggar has? I can't tell if you want less beggars out of wanting people to be better off or because you find them a nuisance when you want to walks the streets of Cambridge.
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Actually both. We have enough of a homeless issue with British citizens let alone EU migrants here on a false promise, wing and a prayer. At present ANYONE from the EU can come here pitch a tent and beg. The courts are to stretched and the police under funded. They at best Get moved on. Begging is low on the list for cps prosecutions. But there are lots of complaints about intimidation from EU migrants begging, in many cities. Stop them having as right to be here then you start to end the problem
 
Interesting stat:

Germany with highest immigrant population in the EU saw real wages up by 14.9%. The UK saw a fall of 10.4%
 
Nurses are leaving in droves because of the ridiculous conditions they are being put through because NHS Trusts are having to cut budgets to the bone.

Wages doesn't get over the fact that the nurses : patients ratio is very bad and getting progressively worse.

You need to pump more funds into the NHS to employ more nurses which then improves the individual conditions for each nurse out there. Trouble is the cash isn't there and the current government and our dear friend Hunt especially just want to shit on NHS workers. It isn't really an EU issue. It is pretty much a Jeremy Hunt issue.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Nurses are leaving in droves because of the ridiculous conditions they are being put through because NHS Trusts are having to cut budgets to the bone.

Wages doesn't get over the fact that the nurses : patients ratio is very bad and getting progressively worse.

You need to pump more funds into the NHS to employ more nurses which then improves the individual conditions for each nurse out there. Trouble is the cash isn't there and the current government and our dear friend Hunt especially just want to $#@! on NHS workers. It isn't really an EU issue. It is pretty much a Jeremy Hunt issue.
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Agreed see police fire ambulance NHS austerity. Same story throughout. I would happily pay 2p in the pound more tax if those services received the money
 
I think a small tax rise that was clearly and irrecovably pigeonholed for extra NHS funding would possibly be a bit of a vote winner. I certainly don't think it would be a massive vote loser.

However, the current government would view such a policy as anathema.
 
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