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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

thehistorymakers said:
Better stopping having democratic elections then. If you don't think the people are able to make mature decisions and know what to believe.

Some people aren't able to make mature decisions, and don't know what to believe.

Did the remain camp lie?

They made exaggerated claims, like the emergency budget. They didn't make outright lies such as £350m bus that they would of had no way of doing. I knew this, not all leave voters did.

We're you all clever enough not to believe the remain lies?

I was, and was definitely clever enough to not believe the lies the leave side made
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Paddingtonwolf said:
You haven't torn a thing. The vote was made on a complete lie. Sadly people were stupid enough to buy it.
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Lies on the remain side?

The bank has come under intense criticism for predicting a dramatic slowdown in the UK’s fortunes in the event of a vote for Brexit only for the economy to bounce back strongly and remain one of the best performing in the developed world

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/chief-economist-of-bank-of-england-admits-errors
 
thehistorymakers said:
Theresa May voted to stay in the EU, but she in charge of Leaving the EU. She respects the will of the majority people who voted and as the majority voted leave, we are leaving. I have said many times, it gets boring saying the same thing, but it is the EU who won't allow us to have full sovereignty and stay in the single market.
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Why should they?
 
thehistorymakers said:
Theresa May voted to stay in the EU, but she in charge of Leaving the EU. She respects the will of the majority people who voted and as the majority voted leave, we are leaving. I have said many times, it gets boring saying the same thing, but it is the EU who won't allow us to have full sovereignty and stay in the single market.
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The referendum was advisory. I think we all know and agree on this.

Staying in the single market was in the Tory manifesto. Agreed?

So surely May doesn't have a mandate to be taking us out of the single market. So how does this fit with your vision of being "undemocratic" THM?
 
Again you shoot and miss for the point THM. Why on gods clean earth should we go to the EU with utterly unreasonable demands and then blame them for saying no? Surely the blame lies with those making the unreasonable demands in the first place.
 
The UK’s goods trade deficit with the EU — a record £24 billion during the three months to April — represents hundreds of thousands of eurozone jobs and billions of euros in profit. It would be ‘very, very foolish’ to impose protectionist barriers against Britain, said BDI last week, a large German industrial lobby.

A record £24 billion deficit !!!! Have a feeling they want to trade with us. They need us more than we need them.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/project-hope-why-britains-in-a-better-position-than-brussels/
 
Trips said:
Not a lie, it was a prediction. They got it wrong, that happens with predictions.
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Yes, they got it very wrong but as Paddington says " Sadly people were stupid enough to buy it "
 
Papper said:
They need us more than we need them.
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Simply not true, you can't look at it in a financial sense given the disparity of relative sizes. 16% of EU exports are to the UK, 44% of UK exports are to the EU. At best we need each other, but if there were a total fallout the UK would be damaged way more than the EU.
 
Papper said:
Yes, they got it very wrong but as Paddington says " Sadly people were stupid enough to buy it "
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Yes they did get it wrong, but it wasn't a lie was it? The £350m bus advert, that was a lie.

Yes the economy has steadied after an initial blip after the vote (Pound hasn't recovered yet though) but we could wait and see what happens once we actually leave the EU and see what this magical horizon holds in store for us.
 
Trips said:
Yes they did get it wrong, but it wasn't a lie was it? The £350m bus advert, that was a lie.

Yes the economy has steadied after an initial blip after the vote (Pound hasn't recovered yet though) but we could wait and see what happens once we actually leave the EU and see what this magical horizon holds in store for us.
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All initial forecasts were based on us triggering A50 straight away, as this is what the PM said would happen - put this on the remain lie list I suppose. However as it didn't you can't compare those forecasts to where we are currently at.
 
Tony Towner said:
Simply not true, you can't look at it in a financial sense given the disparity of relative sizes. 16% of EU exports are to the UK, 44% of UK exports are to the EU. At best we need each other, but if there were a total fallout the UK would be damaged way more than the EU.
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55% of our imports are from the EU. They like our money, hence the deficit, but as an example we import a quarter of our food from the EU. If they don't like our money then new markets will emerge domestically. It's called competition as opposed to protectionism. That's capitalism for ya !
 
Trips said:
Yes they did get it wrong, but it wasn't a lie was it? The £350m bus advert, that was a lie.

Yes the economy has steadied after an initial blip after the vote (Pound hasn't recovered yet though) but we could wait and see what happens once we actually leave the EU and see what this magical horizon holds in store for us.
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The net surplus from Brexit is appx £150M a week which in theory could go back into our economy/public services. The figures were challenged when they appeared on that bus. In anything that aspect of the awful campaign would have been a vote loser rather than an attempt to hoodwink. The £ to the EURO is much the same as it was in 2014.
 
Papper said:
55% of our imports are from the EU. They like our money, hence the deficit, but as an example we import a quarter of our food from the EU. If they don't like our money then new markets will emerge domestically. It's called competition as opposed to protectionism. That's capitalism for ya !
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Which markets? FWIW I think there will be low to zero tariffs on areas which suit the EU such as cars, tourism and food. It'll be in areas like finance where we'll be hit.
 
Papper said:
The net surplus from Brexit is appx £150M a week which in theory could go back into our economy/public services. The figures were challenged when they appeared on that bus. In anything that aspect of the awful campaign would have been a vote loser rather than an attempt to hoodwink. The £ to the EURO is much the same as it was in 2014.
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http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/vote-leave-director-admits-won-lied-public/08/02/

Some vote loser! Vote Leave director admits they wouldn't have won with the £350m bus advert.

How is the Pound doing against the Euro since June, rather than 3 years ago?
 
Trips said:
http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/vote-leave-director-admits-won-lied-public/08/02/

Some vote loser! Vote Leave director admits they wouldn't have won with the £350m bus advert.

How is the Pound doing against the Euro since June, rather than 3 years ago?
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As goes the £ it is swings and roundabouts. There are benefits of a weaker £. As it is at much the same level as it was in 2014 it suggests the predicted apocalypse didn't occur and the scaremongering was just that (as alluded to by the BoE)
 
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