REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[The Saturday Boy]

Yep there is 300,000 Border crossings per week between Northern and Southern Ireland, that going to need a significant amount of manpower to police that alone.

Build a wall. And it will be a great wall. And Dublin will pay for it.

 

[visage]

Theres no reason to believe that re-establishing a hard border between NI and the Republic will cause any issues whatsoever. Its a pretty stable part of the world with a long history of people just getting on.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Is this not all speculating on worse case scenario. Can't see it myself, but it if it is, I hope it's not sorted before I go to Punchestown...I'd hate have to show my passport when I get off the ferry, it'll feel like I've flown there.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Yep there is 300,000 Border crossings per week between Northern and Southern Ireland, that going to need a significant amount of manpower to police that alone.

Great! Brexit creates jobs! Blair being a cock again http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38996179?SThisFB

 

[Johnny75]

How do you define a mandate ? Some would say they must carry out the wishes of the 17.4M majority of voters ?
Yes, they shouldn't ignore those who voted to Remain but we must come out of the Single Market and put an end to Freedom of Movement You cannot have one without the other

I seem to remember this was not the way it was phrased by the Leave campaign....

Can't disagree with that. Tax the Rich please, and increase Corporation Tax on the big corporations who turnover in excess of 'X' amount o Billions. More Tax on anyone with more than one property and big fines for slum landlords ripping off their tenants or only offering rooms to the unemployed which exploits them, the system and the taxpayer. They can cope with more Austerity than the rest of us. Also, do more to punish tax avoiders

Couldn't this be controlled by our sovereign parliament already?

No Leaver has yet put a point across to say leaving the EU will make lives in the UK better. Can any of the leavers do this on here?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Corporation tax is only going to go one way. As a bribe to try and get businesses to stay here when other tariffs will be installed to cover zero access to the free markets

 

[Trips]

No Leaver has yet put a point across to say leaving the EU will make lives in the UK better. Can any of the leavers do this on here?

All I've heard from leavers is generic soundbites - we will take back control of our borders, take back our sovereignty, take back democracy, the economy will be fine etc, etc....

Have heard nothing how things will improve - how will this benefit the economy? How will this benefit the people of Britain? What actual tangible benefits will there be?

 

[Jolemai]

Great! Brexit creates jobs! Blair being a cock again http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38996179?SThisFB

It's not like his party are trying to win by-elections in pro-Brexit constituencies next week...

 

[Penk Wolf]

More Tax on anyone with more than one property and big fines for slum landlords ripping off their tenants or only offering rooms to the unemployed which exploits them, the system and the taxpayer.

They've already done this with the 3% stamp duty and only being able to offset £5,000 of interest against your profit, which has already caused the BTL market to slow down when there are enough houses been rented out. Any further charges would be suicide.

I don't have a problem with the above if the government had a plan to gap the shortfall.

 

[thehistorymakers]

No Leaver has yet put a point across to say leaving the EU will make lives in the UK better. Can any of the leavers do this on here?

Democracy and accountability, has to be better. Sovereignty and controlling our own destiny. I don't see any future for the EU and I think it was a smart move leaving before it collapses.
Taking back control, means not having things put on you, that your country didn't vote for. Having a sovereign government that is democratically elected and accountable for all decisions that are made in the UK, is a huge statement of accountability. Those visions aren't soundbites, they are what makes a nation.

 

[nimrod]

Corporation tax is only going to go one way. As a bribe to try and get businesses to stay here when other tariffs will be installed to cover zero access to the free markets

absolutely and this was predicted on numerous occasions pre the vote. CT rates have already been confirmed as reducing post brexit. UK gov will seek to defend the wealth of the City.

but to be fair to Prog, based on what he has written, I presume he'd consider this a two stage process. exit the eu then deal with the other matters such as corporate dominance/taxes via future general elections. it's not as if all leavers represent the same view. I mean there was a left wing "brexit" group, they just weren't invited to many (or any?) of the debates. but it's a massive gamble (or to some a ridiculous hope) that you'd ever get to exact stage 2 and even if you convinced enough of the people to support it you'd be presuming such a strategy will be successful, nevermind what state the country might be in. if that's what he's presuming i'd like to understand what he'd consider an end-game success.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Democracy and accountability, has to be better. Sovereignty and controlling our own destiny. I don't see any future for the EU and I think it was a smart move leaving before it collapses.
Taking back control, means not having things put on you, that your country didn't vote for. Having a sovereign government that is democratically elected and accountable for all decisions that are made inthe UK, is a huge statement of accountability. Those visions aren't soundbites, they are what makes a nation.

We'll know more in April when France go to the polling stations, but if it does collapse we would have been in right shit had we stayed.

 

[nimrod]

They've already done this with the 3% stamp duty and only being able to offset £5,000 of interest against your profit, which has already caused the BTL market to slow down when there are enough houses been rented out. Any further charges would be suicide.

I don't have a problem with the above if the government had a plan to gap the shortfall.

from the £350m per week? its a yuge amount, a tremendous amount, so big it can be recycled and used on many things over and over.

 

[Penk Wolf]

from the £350m per week? its a yuge amount, a tremendous amount, so big it can be recycled and used on many things over and over.

I guess the difference is renting properties out would create an income for the Government, so they can leave the £350m to pay the farmers...

 

[The Saturday Boy]

We'll know more in April when France go to the polling stations, but if it does collapse we would have been in right $#@! had we stayed.

If the EU collapses it won't matter whether we are in or out. A trading bloc of that size that grinds to a halt is a problem. We suffered when the Euro had problems and we weren't in that. Our economy is intrinsically linked to the EU regardless of our membership.

 

[nimrod]

We'll know more in April when France go to the polling stations, but if it does collapse we would have been in right $#@! had we stayed.

and probably a more truthful answer than claiming to be worried about the impoverished working classes. run run as fast as you can.

 

[nimrod]

I guess the difference is renting properties out would create an income for the Government, so they can leave the £350m to pay the farmers...

good point, i'd forgotten about the farmers..

 

[Penk Wolf]

If the EU collapses it won't matter whether we are in or out. A trading bloc of that size that grinds to a halt is a problem. We suffered when the Euro had problems and we weren't in that. Our economy is intrinsically linked to the EU regardless of our membership.

I'm thinking more if Germany and France left and the EU was left with us and the remaining Countries.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Democracy and accountability, has to be better. Sovereignty and controlling our own destiny. I don't see any future for the EU and I think it was a smart move leaving before it collapses.
Taking back control, means not having things put on you, that your country didn't vote for. Having a sovereign government that is democratically elected and accountable for all decisions that are made in the UK, is a huge statement of accountability. Those visions aren't soundbites, they are what makes a nation.

So if the House of Lords blocks Article 50 you will accept that? It is an integral element of our sovereign government after all. If Parliament decides to hold a second referendum you will accept that too? If parliament decides that it won't leave the EU, you'll accept that too? The House of Commons is democratically elected, surely taking back control means the decision about leaving is theirs to make.

Or does taking back control finish and end at leaving the EU which would suggest you aren't really that bothered about sovereignty if it doesn't deliver the outcome you want.

 

[thehistorymakers]

So if the House of Lords blocks Article 50 you will accept that? It is an integral element of our sovereign government after all. If Parliament decides to hold a second referendum you will accept that too? If parliament decides that it won't leave the EU, you'll accept that too? The House of Commons is democratically elected, surely taking back control means the decision about leaving is theirs to make.

Or does taking back control finish and end at leaving the EU which would suggest you aren't really that bothered about sovereignty if it doesn't deliver the outcome you want.

It is all done, mate. We are out. Don't be frightened of Democracy!