REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Templeton Peck]

Nuttall has said that the rise in hate crimes post Brexit vote is fabrication...

Nuttall is doing a very tidy job of fucking UKIP. Long may it continue.

 

[Jolemai]

Don't worry, he was probably given false information by his aide before making that statement. Or maybe his press officer. Or maybe his postman.

Link added incase someone feels the need to accuse me of factually incorrect statements and scaremongering. As for Nuttall's press officer, she quit following the Hillsborough controversy:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...16.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[thehistorymakers]

Nuttall is doing a very tidy job of $#@!ing UKIP. Long may it continue.

UKIP did what they had to do, they are irrelevant now.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Stir up hatred?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I suspect THM means force the referendum and actually win it...

If UKIP have become an irrelevance where will their four million votes from the last election go, I wonder? It will be interesting to see.

Nuttall is making Farage look like a world statesman by comparison though, which is rather worrying. Under his watch I can see UKIP lurching back toward BNP territory in order to differentiate from the government. Which is a bit scary.

 

[Lord Knows]

EU parliament approves landmark CETA free-trade deal with Canada.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rove-vote-strasbourg-nafta-ttip-a7581156.html

 

[visage]

Who will the Brexiteers blame when the milk anf honey fails to flow?

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...lk-honey-delusional-expectations-gove-johnson

At some point someone is going to have to level with the country. Much of what leave voters were promised is unavailable because the EU was never responsible for a lot of things that made them angry. The dawn of Brexit promises no significant freedom or opportunity that wasn’t there the day before.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Who will the Brexiteers blame when the milk anf honey fails to flow?

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...lk-honey-delusional-expectations-gove-johnson

Is Brexit going to happen and are we leaving the EU?

 

[ProgWolf]

a

 

[ProgWolf]

Oops, I just replied to Tyrannosauras Dan, clicked to post and had a strange message telling me I was one letter short, so being a not very smart arse, I clicked 'a' to submit and look what happened

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Is Brexit going to happen and are we leaving the EU?

You are the master of never actually debating anything. Over the past week it has emerged that immigration is unlikely to fall as a result of Brexit, that in voting to return our sovereignty from the unelected EU we are reminded that our sovereignty includes the unelected House of Lords and parliament has refused to vote in favour of any commitment to spend some of the EU money on the NHS.

You response to all this can largely be summed up by your above quote.

 

[ProgWolf]

By the way, not sure I have really said welcome properly yet, Prog. My bad.

Hope you like the political infighting on here!

Thanks for that Pad. Yes I like it. You can hear the passion screaming through the monitor and I do take a deep breath before posting sometimes :icon_biggrin: With politics though and the Brexit discussion on some of the news websites is no different, it always seems to be the extremists that get much of the news coverage, where people just resort to name calling, which can ruin things for the rest of us who just want to debate things sensibly.

 

[leedswolf]

 

[visage]

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...need-to-know-about-article-50-in-five-minutes

Read this - we're heading for a fucking nightmare, for no good reason.

 

[thehistorymakers]

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...need-to-know-about-article-50-in-five-minutes

Read this - we're heading for a $#@!ing nightmare, for no good reason.

Do you believe everything in that article?

 

[visage]

This article is based on conversations with Catherine Barnard, professor of EU Law at the University of Cambridge, Anand Menon, professor of European Politics and Foreign Affairs at King's College London and director of UK in a Changing Europe, Steve Peers, professor of EU, Human Rights and World Trade Law at the University of Essex, Amy Porges, adviser and government representative on WTO negotiations and litigation and free trade agreements, John Springford, director of Research at the Centre for European Reform and other politicians, trade negotiators, civil servants and officials in London, Washington and Brussels who asked not to be named.

Ian Dunt is the editor of Politics.co.uk. His book - Brexit: What The Hell Happens Now? - is available now from Canbury Press.

They sound like a pretty knowledgeable group. I trust their opinions more than those spouted by Farage over a fag and a pint.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Whether all of those events come to pass or not, they're all perfectly plausible and evidence based. And the kind of thing that most Leave voters won't even have considered when they placed their vote.

Now you can blame Remain for not pointing all this out at the time - rightly so - but it's pretty clear this is a massive undertaking and we don't have anything like enough capable people to steer us through it in an advantageous way. We have an abysmal Government calling the shots and nowhere near the required number of civil servants, bureaucrats and trade negotiators.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Whether all of those events come to pass or not, they're all perfectly plausible and evidence based. And the kind of thing that most Leave voters won't even have considered when they placed their vote.

Now you can blame Remain for not pointing all this out at the time - rightly so - but it's pretty clear this is a massive undertaking and we don't have anything like enough capable people to steer us through it in an advantageous way. We have an abysmal Government calling the shots and nowhere near the required number of civil servants, bureaucrats and trade negotiators.

I don't agree with the bit about that most people who voted leave, won't have considered things any less so than remain voters.
Theresa May isn't against the single market like that article suggest, she is just adapting to the realities of the situation. The EU have do said they will not us to be in the single market and to control our own borders and have sovereignty over own laws. Well if we don't have our sovereignty and contol our own borders, we won't have left the EU. As we have voted to leave the EU and are going to control our own borders and have sovereignty, the EU are the ones saying we won't be able to be in the single market. Theresa May, had no option to stay in the EU. The article makes out she didn't want us to be in the single market, when in reality she had no choice. There is a huge difference.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You think Leave voters understand/understood the scale of bureaucratic work that will have to go in to make Brexit even viable let alone successful? Really?

May does want to be in the single market but she has chosen to prioritise immigration controls above absolutely everything else. Which is no surprise (she was a deeply xenophobic Home Secretary) and is an incredibly stupid move from a stupid person.

I hope you don't mind me mocking Theresa May's intelligence.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

But did you REALLY think that if we said "we don't want to be in your club, we want to control any of the club members coming to our premises because we don't want them, but we still want the club to allow us to buy all those nice things cheaply using club bargaining power" that they were going to say yes?

I mean, come on. That is just massively unrealistic. And blaming them for not allowing entry to the market for us when we want the deck stacked the other way is nonsensical.