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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

leedswolf said:
Probably because to remain in the UK they would have to go through an immigration process as they would lose their automatic right to freedom of movement?
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That's not going to happen though, is it.
 
It really wouldn't be a great trial for somebody in government to say that those already living here from EU countries will be automatically granted visa status as part of the Brexit process. Which presumably would then be reciprocated for our ex-pats.

It surely will have to happen so why not get it out in the open?
 
Unfortunately I'm not as connected with the Brexit policy as you are.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
It really wouldn't be a great trial for somebody in government to say that those already living here from EU countries will be automatically granted visa status as part of the Brexit process. Which presumably would then be reciprocated for our ex-pats.

It surely will have to happen so why not get it out in the open?
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True, a statement certainly wouldn't hurt.
 
There's nothing wrong with my tax affairs and there's no chance I'd get chucked in jail or even fined for anything that I've done. All the same, I wouldn't welcome a forensic audit of the last three years. As it would be totally needless, time consuming, stressful and unsettling.

Now let's ramp that up to someone's fundamental right to stay where they've lived for decades. It's shameful.
 
And if it isn't then they need to SAY so. Put minds at rest. It isn't going to cost any votes as we are being told they won etc etc etc.

The worst that would happen would be the likes of Farage moaning about it for about 5 minutes.
 
I wasn't being funny. You understand my point as your response to Paddy's post would infer. I doubt that it will happen, but with this current lot I really don't know.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
And if it isn't then they need to SAY so. Put minds at rest. It isn't going to cost any votes as we are being told they won etc etc etc.

The worst that would happen would be the likes of Farage moaning about it for about 5 minutes.
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Didn't Farage mention that immigration would be inevitable, but we should be looking more towards Commonwealth citizens instead of those in Europe?

Obviously they would work for even less and put up with archaic working conditions?
 
He said he would prefer Australians, Indians or Canadians over eastern europeans
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
And if it isn't then they need to SAY so. Put minds at rest. It isn't going to cost any votes as we are being told they won etc etc etc.

The worst that would happen would be the likes of Farage moaning about it for about 5 minutes.
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I don't understand why they won't say so either. If one side says 'yes' then the other has to otherwise they look petty and weak. It isn't a show of strength to deny people citizenship and it would risk unrest in their own countries if they denied it. Foolish posturing on both sides.
 
leedswolf said:
I wasn't being funny. You understand my point as your response to Paddy's post would infer. I doubt that it will happen, but with this current lot I really don't know.
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I do understand your point and it wouldn't hurt to say something. I don't understand why people are worrying about it, but I guess it's easy to say when it doesn't affect me.

I have a Lithuanian lad who works for me, next time I see him I'll ask him what he thinks about it.
 
Before the Referendum, I discussed the Pro's and Con's with a good friend of mine who voted to Remain and we both agreed then that even if we vote to Leave, we did not have any confidence in our MP's and those in the EU, to sit down like sensible mature adults, to try and do their best to ensure that Brexit works well for everyone ? And look what's happened since the Vote and some of the comments by supposedly intelligent people running the show. It's pathetic.

Surely this is just more meaningless gesture politics ? Not long after the Referendum an Economist on Question Time (or she wrote for a Finance Journal ? can't recall her name at the moment) said that there would be plenty of gesture politics and scare tactics from both sides (I call it oneupmanship) but after 3-5 years following Brexit, that things would be pretty much the same as they are now. I have heard so many opinions on what will happen when we leave and this one is as good as any.
Suddenly, after the Referendum, everyone became expert Economists and I suppose we could all find one to suit us.
 
Penk Wolf said:
I do understand your point and it wouldn't hurt to say something. I don't understand why people are worrying about it, but I guess it's easy to say when it doesn't affect me.

I have a Lithuanian lad who works for me, next time I see him I'll ask him what he thinks about it.
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I'm not worried about it. TBF it doesn't impact on me directly. It's just totally uneccessary.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
As Johnny says every paper will have a slant, otherwise it would just be copies of Reuters' output. No-one should ever believe everything that's written in any newspaper.

As I have said before on this thread (I appreciate you are new) there are articles in the Guardian pushing the economic case for Brexit and Matthew D'Ancona wrote a piece not that long ago praising IDS' work during his time in Welfare. Personally I consider both those arguments to be utter rot - especially the second one - but it's not fair to paint the Guardian as a paper which only publishes Islingtonista propaganda. It's a shit, inaccurate stereotype. If you don't like it then don't read it, but it's unfair to make it out as the Morning Star's sister publication.

Whereas the drivel that the Mail pumps out is almost entirely unworthy of any credence whatsoever, poorly written and outright false information most of the time, stuff that's not even hard to check. Without even getting into the racist and fascist undertones in much of their political output lately.
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Deutsch Wolf, I agree with much of what you say, but unlike you, even after all these years, I am unable to nail my colours to any political mast. I've voted Tory and Labour in the past and regretted it either way. Last year on June 23rd, I read this article by Brendan O'Neill, who in his own words, describes himself as a 'Leftie'

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/eu-may-well-survive-todays-vote-left-wont/

I found myself agreeing with everything he said, as this article says everything about why I voted to Leave and as I consider myself to be Left of Centre, it left me puzzled as to why any Socialist or anyone with a view that was remotely Leftist, would ever want to stay in the EU ?

Then in November he wrote this piece

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsit...t-is-a-fight-for-democracy/18951#.WKMMolWLQdU

I feel that he articulates the post-Referendum hysteria really well and as I think you voted to Remain, I would be interested to know what you think of his views ? There are of course many other articles by him but I thought these two were a good starting point for this thread.
 
I'll have a look tomorrow for sure, off out shortly.
 
By the way, not sure I have really said welcome properly yet, Prog. My bad.

Hope you like the political infighting on here!
 
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