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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Johnny75 said:
I thought we lived in an 'innocent until proven guilty' society? I don't like kangaroo courts or trial by press as facts often take a back seat.
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I agree but I was just trying to answer your point when you said that you had never supported or agreed with a DM opinion piece and I just thought that you would agree that, with hindsight, the DM headline with the suspects photos was a good thing that they did ?
 
No. Trial by newspaper and a known racist one at that does nobody any favours, and as Paddy says, can influence a jury.
 
But campaigning can have good outcomes, newspaper investigations can and have led to good results.

That's not to say the mail is not a shit heap racist paper, because it is. If I remember correctly they only discovered the Lawrence story as a reporter was sent to dig up dirt on the Lawrence family.
 
tredman said:
But campaigning can have good outcomes, newspaper investigations can and have led to good results.

That's not to say the mail is not a $#@! heap racist paper, because it is. If I remember correctly they only discovered the Lawrence story as a reporter was sent to dig up dirt on the Lawrence family.
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Oh I don't disagree a free press is a good thing. I just don't think The Fail should be congratulated for their 'campaign'.
 
Johnny75 said:
Oh I don't disagree a free press is a good thing. I just don't think The Fail should be congratulated for their 'campaign'.
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Credit where it's due. The mail hasn't always been as down right nasty as it is now. It's always been very right wing, but Dacre has taken it a disgusting place.
 
tredman said:
Credit where it's due. The mail hasn't always been as down right nasty as it is now. It's always been very right wing, but Dacre has taken it a disgusting place.
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Deutsch Wolf said:
As Johnny says every paper will have a slant, otherwise it would just be copies of Reuters' output. No-one should ever believe everything that's written in any newspaper.

As I have said before on this thread (I appreciate you are new) there are articles in the Guardian pushing the economic case for Brexit and Matthew D'Ancona wrote a piece not that long ago praising IDS' work during his time in Welfare. Personally I consider both those arguments to be utter rot - especially the second one - but it's not fair to paint the Guardian as a paper which only publishes Islingtonista propaganda. It's a shit, inaccurate stereotype. If you don't like it then don't read it, but it's unfair to make it out as the Morning Star's sister publication.

Whereas the drivel that the Mail pumps out is almost entirely unworthy of any credence whatsoever, poorly written and outright false information most of the time, stuff that's not even hard to check. Without even getting into the racist and fascist undertones in much of their political output lately.
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I don't think most of the people that read the Daily Mail would describe it in the way you have. You said of The Guardian, 'if you don't like it, don't read it'. There are many stories that they would both report on in different ways, so on their websites I do like to read their 'spins' on the story and then try and use my own logic and common sense to form my own view. I don't like the way the DM reports, but it's a right wing tabloid, so it 'does what it says on the tin' and I am certainly not going to defend what they do. But also, I think some of The Guardian columnists, like Polly Toynbee, come across as self-righteous and sanctimonious. They love to talk about the 'real world' having never actually 'lived in it' and maybe this is what sometimes alienates the working class. But how can a middle class journalist from either rag relate to someone from a working class background ? You could argue that the DM panders to racists but The Guardian shy's away from some of the problems and issues that excessive immigration can cause in some parts of the country ?

I just don't like generalisations that the media feed into, like, if you voted Leave, you must be thick and uneducated and were fooled by all the lies you were told, or, if you vote for Corbyn you must a closet Communist. These well paid Journo's earn a lot of money to report in such a childish way.
 
You don't even have to go further back than a year, they supported Zac Goldsmith for London Mayor.
 
I cannot believe that we STILL haven't guaranteed the status of EU nationals already living here. Shameful Germany 1930s stuff. My mates partner is from Barcelona - she's lived here 25 years and they have 2 children. They are genuinely worried about her right to remain at the moment. How did we get here?
 
Fuck them, they're only people. Silly little political games and atrocious poker metaphors are obviously way more important.
 
I wonder how our expats that voted leave will find it when they get sent home? Collateral damage, obviously.
 
Templeton Peck said:
I cannot believe that we STILL haven't guaranteed the status of EU nationals already living here. Shameful Germany 1930s stuff. My mates partner is from Barcelona - she's lived here 25 years and they have 2 children. They are genuinely worried about her right to remain at the moment. How did we get here?
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They're not going to get sent home though are they?

If we sent all the EU citizens home that are currently working in Britain the country would grind to a holt. I'm not sure why people are worried or even it's up for discussion.
 
Templeton Peck said:
I cannot believe that we STILL haven't guaranteed the status of EU nationals already living here. Shameful Germany 1930s stuff. My mates partner is from Barcelona - she's lived here 25 years and they have 2 children. They are genuinely worried about her right to remain at the moment. How did we get here?
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Can't they apply to be a British citizen anyway?
 
Penk Wolf said:
They're not going to get sent home though are they?

If we sent all the EU citizens home that are currently working in Britain the country would grind to a holt. I'm not sure why people are worried or even it's up for discussion.
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Probably because to remain in the UK they would have to go through an immigration process as they would lose their automatic right to freedom of movement?
 
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