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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

The Saturday Boy said:
We are discussing a specific claim you have been making - there would be no benefit in pointing out claims made by the remain side (i assume you mean) that have nothing to do with this.

It seems pretty clear that the leave campaign were pushing staying in the single market before the referendum.
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Did the Parliament vote 6 to 1 to give us a referendum ?

Did we vote to leave the EU?

Is it feasible to want to stay in the single market, when the EU want to continue making conditions that we are not able to stay in the single market unless we give up the right to control our own borders and laws?

If we stay in the single market and let the EU override our sovereignty, border controls and laws, then we haven't left the EU.
This is what you want, to change the result by default. We voted to leave, we will try to stay in the single market, but not give up sovereignty and controlling our own borders.if the EU don't accept this, then we will still have the advantage of still doing trade with other countries, when we have left the EU.
 
Is it also feasible to have half a brain, and possibly even the spare couple of extra cells to rub together, that would mean it was relatively easy to understand that "we want our border control" was always going to be "no single market", and therefore saying different during the campaign was a fucking lie and misleading the electorate?
 
If we control our borders can we leave this chump stranded in his own personal EU governed hell?
 
thehistorymakers said:
Did the Parliament vote 6 to 1 to give us a referendum ?

Did we vote to leave the EU?

Is it feasible to want to stay in the single market, when the EU want to continue making conditions that we are not able to stay in the single market unless we give up the right to control our own borders and laws?

If we stay in the single market and let the EU override our sovereignty, border controls and laws, then we haven't left the EU.
This is what you want, to change the result by default. We voted to leave, we will try to stay in the single market, but not give up sovereignty and controlling our own borders.if the EU don't accept this, then we will still have the advantage of still doing trade with other countries, when we have left the EU.
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I haven't said anything about changing the result. How do you come to that conclusion from what I have posted?

All you are doing is making the arguments for Brexit when I am not arguing against Brexit.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Overwhelmingly the legacy of the Tories and yet you want to give them more power.
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They get too powerful, everybody hates them, votes them out at a GE, Labour win by a landslide.
Democracy at work.
Trouble is everybody hates Labour except the crackpot members who put Corbs in charge.
Blair's legacy.
 
Now let me get this straight.

Are you REALLY trying to justify the argument from the keep them all out side of the block by trying to say that all the other parts of the EU are in some way racist?

Holy fucking shit.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Do you think it doesn't matter? There are millions of blacks and Asians in the EU. I will ask you again, how many blacks or Asians have been European commisioners?
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Fuck's sake THM, you do come out with some absolutely shite.
 
So, to sum up where we were when in exile from this thread:

- Brexit MPs were invited yesterday to support an amendment committing to £350m/week extra for the NHS and declined to do so, including Boris

- Dominic Cummings has since said they wouldn't have won without that promise

- Apparently he is wrong even if he was Chief Strategist of the campaign because some bloke down the pub said he never believed it for one

- Corbyn managed to engineer a situation where Labour voted in favour of the Bill for A50 with zero amendments even though his own Shadow Cabinet members say that they don't agree with it and they think it'll be a disaster and they represent heavily Remain constituencies. Oh, and he's lost four front benchers as a result. So we have an Opposition that votes for things they are fervently opposed to, brilliant

I think that covers it.
 
Johnny75 said:
I'm interested in why you think we'll be better off out of the EU long term Penk, what makes you think that?
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Plus points:

I think we'll be able to make our own rules on trade (Like putting import duty on loss leading Chinese Steel). It's easy to negotiate with other Countries as one Country rather than a committee of Countries.

Additionally, after the fallout of the vote, I think the EU will disband and we would have been left to pick up the pieces and wouldn't be able to have another vote.

Minus points:

Price of the dollar.

Harder to employ staff from another Country.


However, my thoughts may change once we know exactly what the trading deals and immigrations deals will be.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
So, to sum up where we were when in exile from this thread:

- Brexit MPs were invited yesterday to support an amendment committing to £350m/week extra for the NHS and declined to do so, including Boris

- Dominic Cummings has since said they wouldn't have won without that promise

- Apparently he is wrong even if he was Chief Strategist of the campaign because some bloke down the pub said he never believed it for one

- Corbyn managed to engineer a situation where Labour voted in favour of the Bill for A50 with zero amendments even though his own Shadow Cabinet members say that they don't agree with it and they think it'll be a disaster and they represent heavily Remain constituencies. Oh, and he's lost four front benchers as a result. So we have an Opposition that votes for things they are fervently opposed to, brilliant

I think that covers it.
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Maybe because most the Labour party wanted to remain in the EU, but accept the democratic result, which the remainers who voted against article 50, obviously don't.
 
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