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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

If 'hard' Brexit is to be applied then why do we need to negotiate with the EU? Article 50 means we are leaving. No need to be concerned with such trifles as the single market, custom union, etc. 'We are taking back control'.
 
leedswolf said:
If 'hard' Brexit is to be applied then why do we need to negotiate with the EU? Article 50 means we are leaving. No need to be concerned with such trifles as the single market, custom union, etc. 'We are taking back control'.
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Only hard Brexit if the EU won't let us in the single market, and take back control of our sovereignty, because that what we have voted to do, leave the EU.
 
Surely leaving the EU and taking back control infers that we (the sovereign UK parliament) do not want to be part of the single market? Otherwise it isn't hard Brexit.
 
Wilf Wolf said:
Agreed. I would like to hear a debate about the consequences of certain actions. If we stop Freedom of Movement how will low paid jobs be filled in the South East? Will EU workers be allowed to come if there is a job vacancy that has not been filled for a set period of time? Will people have to take their own sheets when staying at a hotel in London as there is no-one to clean them? Is stopping Freedom of Movement going to make any significant difference to the number of EU nationals working here?

As for laving the Single market are we going to cosy up to the USA and accept all their conditions of a trade agreement that will be far less favourable than the deal we have currently with the EU? Lower environmental standards, and arbitration in NY rather than Brussels?
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We did that to death, read the first 50 pages of this thread. Hahahahah
 
leedswolf said:
Surely leaving the EU and taking back control infers that we (the sovereign UK parliament) doesn't want to be part of the single market?
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You can be in a single market without giving up sovereignty. Because you make a trade agreement with aseveral countries, doesn't mean they have to dictate your laws and your border controls.
 
So to be in the EU single market, we will not be required to comply with the relevant EU legislation relating to quality, safety, worker rights or environment?
 
thehistorymakers said:
You can be in a single market without giving up sovereignty. Because you make a trade agreement with aseveral countries, doesn't mean they have to dictate your laws and your border controls.
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Don't you have to abide by certain conditions to be part of the single market, or you can't be in it?

You can't have everything you want without the other side wanting something in return can you? For example, an olive farmer (who depended solely on selling olives) wouldn't give his complete harvest away for nothing because somebody asked him to. Wouldn't be a good deal for him really would it?
 
Johnny75 said:
Don't you have to abide by certain conditions to be part of the single market, or you can't be in it?

You can't have everything you want without the other side wanting something in return can you? For example, an olive farmer (who depended solely on selling olives) wouldn't give his complete harvest away for nothing because somebody asked him to. Wouldn't be a good deal for him really would it?
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Unless said farmer pretended to give it away and then sold it on.
 
thehistorymakers said:
You can be in a single market without giving up sovereignty.
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No, you cant. In order to be in a single market there needs to be agreemets made at the supranational level to administer that market and set conformance criteria - all of which involve negotiated surrender of sovereignty.
 
Visage said:
No, you cant. In order to be in a single market there needs to be agreemets made at the supranational level to administer that market and set conformance criteria - all of which involve negotiated surrender of sovereignty.
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So then there isn't much to discuss. We voted to leave the EU and gain regain our sovereignty. So we will have to do the best deals outside the single market. Which we all knew all the time.
 
leedswolf said:
So to be in the EU single market, we will not be required to comply with the relevant EU legislation relating to quality, safety, worker rights or environment?
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Zero hours contracts and 4 million working people in poverty, that's not workers rights, that is slavery. What workers rights have countries got with over 50% youth unemployment in some areas. The EU doesn't care about workers, they care about big business, banks and multinationals.
 
thehistorymakers said:
You can be in a single market without giving up sovereignty. Because you make a trade agreement with aseveral countries, doesn't mean they have to dictate your laws and your border controls.
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thehistorymakers said:
So then there isn't much to discuss. We voted to leave the EU and gain regain our sovereignty. So we will have to do the best deals outside the single market. Which we all knew all the time.
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And in two short posts you have perfectly demonstrated that Out voters didn't have a clue what they were letting themselves, and the rest of us, in for!
 
This thread's better than a Jack Kerouac novel.
 
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