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Kenny said:
Was that the only point he was wrong on then?
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Have I ever said I have paid an EU official in a fraudelent act? Has he been told before by a Mod, that I had never said that? It has now been repeated 172 times, it's wrong, lies and yet he calls me a liar. Strange that. Why not ask him why he keeps repeating a lie, even though he has been pulled up by a mod for it before?
 
I would argue that being in the EU is not the root cause.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Calling someone one a racist xenophobic is an easy get out. I am not, but that won't matter.
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As easy as blaming this countries problems on immigrants? I would argue that your belief that we don't have the infrastructure to cope with our population because of immigrants is definitely xenophobic, if not racist.

Who do you blame when we still have the same problems after we leave the EU? Non EU immigrants? Muslims? Refugees? How far do we go until we think our facilities should only be for use by good old, white British Christians?
 
LJ said this.


I don't give a $#@! about people like you. Liars, xenophobes, distorters of the truth, offensive stereotypers with the over inflated sense of self who laud their own personal superiority, then play the victim card all the time after stating they fraudulently claim EU grants then start boo-hooing when others bring it up and constantly say they didn't say that.

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And I say every word of that is wrong, he was told in the past that I had never said I paid an EU official. He says I am a liar, but he was shown to have lied about what I had said, he repeats the same lies and gets away with it.
I am not a victim, I am ecstatic we are coming out the EU. The victims have been the poor and down trodden in the UK, who have seen their living standards crumble.

It is true with what he says, that the government hasn't spent enough money on the NHS, but is also true that open borders is a failed system, always will be and that the poorest in the UK have paid the price for. The strain on public services is both because of a huge increase in our population and government funding.

Something had to give, the country could not go on like it was. The sad thing is, many of the remain voters are now worried about their middle class comfort coming to an end. They ignored the plight of the peoples whose lives were affected by the strain on the UK infrastructure. They cared about their own self interests, just like they are doing now.
 
Tyrannosaurus Dan said:
As easy as blaming this countries problems on immigrants? I would argue that your belief that we don't have the infrastructure to cope with our population because of immigrants is definitely xenophobic, if not racist.

Who do you blame when we still have the same problems after we leave the EU? Non EU immigrants? Muslims? Refugees? How far do we go until we think our facilities should only be for use by good old, white British Christians?
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I don't blame the immigrants as I have stated many times on this forum. I blame open borders and the infrastructure not being in place to cope with it.

This means the living standards of the low paid and vulnerable have dropped sharply, whilst the middle class and many people who work for the establishment have carried on like was nothing was happening.

They wanted to carry on like nothing was happening. It was and the people have spoken.
 
The vote clincher for Brexit was the misinformed "middle classes" fears.
 
leedswolf said:
The vote clincher for Brexit was the misinformed "middle classes" fears.
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Maybe but the real vote clincher was arrogance. The trouble is we are where we are and the next phase is planning for brexit. Everything else is just speculation I am afraid. This has never been done before.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Have I ever said I have paid an EU official in a fraudelent act? Has he been told before by a Mod, that I had never said that? It has now been repeated 172 times, it's wrong, lies and yet he calls me a liar. Strange that. Why not ask him why he keeps repeating a lie, even though he has been pulled up by a mod for it before?
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So that is a yes then. Cheers x

Well done LJ for putting the corrupt racist in his place.
 
Actually as a slide aside the media has a lot to answer for with the views it has highlighted in trashy TV programmes like benefits Britain or similar ilk that only highlight the bad side of EU claimants.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Did you say to him earlier in the year that I had never paid an EU official in a fraudelent act? Yes or no?
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Fucking hell. Stop going on about that ONE FUCKING POINT and realise that every other moment of your ridiculous diatribe was weighed, measured, and found wanting.
 
thehistorymakers said:
I don't blame the immigrants as I have stated many times on this forum. I blame open borders and the infrastructure not being in place to cope with it.

This means the living standards of the low paid and vulnerable have dropped sharply, whilst the middle class and many people who work for the establishment have carried on like was nothing was happening.

They wanted to carry on like nothing was happening. It was and the people have spoken.
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Not true. The impact of immigration and pay has been evidenced and that evidence does not suggest that pay has dropped sharply, it has had a minor impact on the low paid. Although there is correlation between pay and living standards, the impact of austerity has been the major driving force in pushing down living standards.

the impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 percent, over a period of 8 years. With average wages in this sector of about £8 an hour, that amounts to a reduction in annual pay rises of about a penny an hour.
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http://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/how-small-small-impact-immigration-uk-wages#.V_56bPArK00


Low wage increases since 2008 have had a significant effect on pay and living standards and austerity is not caused by immigration or our membership of the EU.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Actually as a slide aside the media has a lot to answer for with the views it has highlighted in trashy TV programmes like benefits Britain or similar ilk that only highlight the bad side of EU claimants.
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Not just European immigrants, it's part of a process to paint anyone without a job or unable to work as scum. Then everyone feels OK when the government cuts the amount of money they receive.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
Not true. The impact of immigration and pay has been evidenced and that evidence does not suggest that pay has dropped sharply, it has had a minor impact on the low paid. Although there is correlation between pay and living standards, the impact of austerity has been the major driving force in pushing down living standards.



http://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/how-small-small-impact-immigration-uk-wages#.V_56bPArK00


Low wage increases since 2008 have had a significant effect on pay and living standards and austerity is not caused by immigration or our membership of the EU.
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If you are low paid and have to pay more rent or a higher price to buy a property because of an increase of demand and see the wage you have left in your pocket diminish, then you have less disposable income, which means you are poorer in real terms.

If you have to wait up to 2 weeks because your doctors surgery can't cope, with the increase in population, then your living standards have diminished.

There are politicians on both sides of the house who have recently said that the influx of low paid workers has had a direct affect on wages of the low paid in this country.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Well written but lies and hypocritical, better?
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Apart from the 1 lie you keep mentioning can you please bullet point the rest of the post to show me what the lies are and how they are lies (not your opinion but actual facts ta).

If you can't do that without saying you didn't bribe someone then I kindly suggest you fuck off and go fiddle with an Olive plant.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
$#@!ing hell. Stop going on about that ONE $#@!ING POINT and realise that every other moment of your ridiculous diatribe was weighed, measured, and found wanting.
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You didnt answer the question! Did you tell him I had never said I had paid an EU official for a fraudelent act?
 
Kenny said:
Apart from the 1 lie you keep mentioning can you please bullet point the rest of the post to show me what the lies are and how they are lies (not your opinion but actual facts ta).

If you can't do that without saying you didn't bribe someone then I kindly suggest you $#@! off and go fiddle with an Olive plant.
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I have answered the questions if different posts. Dont tell people to fuck off over the internet, makes you look silly.
 
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