REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Deleted Cyber]

Rings of the "go back to Africa" line so many white people here use.

No it doesnt! You insinuate that it is a racist comment. Firstly you cant just up and move to Africa per se. The EU currently has complete freedom of movement. You can go and live and work anywhere. Many from the EU choose to do that and choose the UK as there base hence why net immigration goes up year on year by around 300,000 over the last decade. My point was that far fewer English/ British people choose to emigrate and work in the EU than vice versa. My question was why? My assumption was because of the English language being universally taught in the EU and the British laziness in general to learn languages that has been documented. Paddy is welsh. Does he speak welsh? I dont know. If not it kind of proves my point re language

There was nothing racist about the comment so don't compare it to a racist comment just to prove a stereotype that a white UKIP supporter is a xenophobic racist. 2 and 2 make 5 a hell of a lot on here

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Of one thing you can be sure, by moving to a foreign country and not learning the language, you will eventually isolate yourself.

It isn't about finding enough Germans, French or Greeks who talk english, this you can do in many situations, but even so and trust me on this so much valuable information is simply lost in translation.

Try sitting in a bar or taverna with your new found english speaking friends and you will see just how quickly (usually second drink in) they revert to their own language. It's natural, of course it is, but if you don't want to keep interupting the flow of their conversation,it can lead to a couple of hours, sometimes equivalent to solitary confinement.

Not everyone can live abroad, i don't mean simply people like the ex pats i encountered when i lived for three years in Tenerife, with their English pubs and English breakfasts, and speaking English 24 hours a day.

It is a cultural change on a grand scale, a different way of thinking and acting as second nature, and you have so much more to learn than simply the language.

And remember....however much you integrate, you will always be a foreigner.

 

[arklowolf]

An amusing thread. Particularly the first page and particularly the first post on the first page.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ver-editorial-theresa-may-britain-post-brexit

I particularly agree with this bit:

...noisome, ill-thought-out ideas, emanating from senior ministers bearing the seal of government, are as alarming as they are unpleasant. They carry a gross whiff of xenophobia. They convey an inescapable undertone of racism and intolerance. And they are a testament to what looks increasingly like an accelerating retreat from Britain’s liberal, inclusive and open-minded tradition and a return to the narrow, delusional world of Little England.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Seems like there is a few people contemplating follow the advice

http://www.independent.ie/business/...bs-in-ireland-since-brexit-vote-35116712.html

 

[arklowolf]

Of one thing you can be sure, by moving to a foreign country and not learning the language, you will eventually isolate yourself.

It isn't about finding enough Germans, French or Greeks who talk english, this you can do in many situations, but even so and trust me on this so much valuable information is simply lost in translation.

Try sitting in a bar or taverna with your new found english speaking friends and you will see just how quickly (usually second drink in) they revert to their own language. It's natural, of course it is, but if you don't want to keep interupting the flow of their conversation,it can lead to a couple of hours, sometimes equivalent to solitary confinement.

Not everyone can live abroad, i don't mean simply people like the ex pats i encountered when i lived for three years in Tenerife, with their English pubs and English breakfasts, and speaking English 24 hours a day.

It is a cultural change on a grand scale, a different way of thinking and acting as second nature, and you have so much more to learn than simply the language.

And remember....however much you integrate, you will always be a foreigner.[/Q

Correct imo. The language barrier means it is difficult even when we have similar cultures, eg France, Germany. Nigh on impossible when the cultures are different as well. Takes generations.

 

[thehistorymakers]

An amusing thread. Particularly the first page and particularly the first post on the first page.

Yes, I just read it and found it amusing too!

 

[Tredman]

So from three brexit posters on this thread, two live in the EU and one wants to.

There is a well known phrase which comes to mind.

 

[nimrod]

An amusing thread. Particularly the first page and particularly the first post on the first page.

happens on every political thread doesn't it. people generally argue from the "end" point they want and not from any point of principle.

for instance, on this thread i've had posters just blatantly lie about what i've said and then when challenged ether disappear or carry on regardless. they then claim there's a lack of reasoned debate! hysterical

 

[Alan]

No it doesnt! You insinuate that it is a racist comment. Firstly you cant just up and move to Africa per se. The EU currently has complete freedom of movement. You can go and live and work anywhere. Many from the EU choose to do that and choose the UK as there base hence why net immigration goes up year on year by around 300,000 over the last decade. My point was that far fewer English/ British people choose to emigrate and work in the EU than vice versa. My question was why? My assumption was because of the English language being universally taught in the EU and the British laziness in general to learn languages that has been documented. Paddy is welsh. Does he speak welsh? I dont know. If not it kind of proves my point re language

There was nothing racist about the comment so don't compare it to a racist comment just to prove a stereotype that a white UKIP supporter is a xenophobic racist. 2 and 2 make 5 a hell of a lot on here

Relax, that isn't what I meant. Simply that both statements are of equal propensity to offend and neither make a terrible amount of sense.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Right

Purdah ends when the polls shut in twenty minutes. We won't re-open the old thread as there is so much circular bitchiness on there. This is the new place for your referendum discussion. Please bear in mind this is your "after-result" discussion so please don't dredge up the old arguments.

And play nicely. This thread will be watched and misbehaviour from posters on either side of whatever the result turns out to be will be looked upon gravely.

Omg! What a hoot!

Tredman! Yes its really ironic isn't it? I love Europe but never thought the eru was right for the UK!

Alan sorry. You see even I am getting sensitive to it!

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yawn

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

He's right, stick it up your arse along with the xenophobic cunts that voted Brexit and if there's any more room fart Jerusalum in a nationalistic tone.

Fucking arseholes don't know what they voted for and its the fucking cunts of the older generation that haven't a fucking clue that did this.

those same older generation that is the reason you can spout shite and insult the majority of this country you mean?

The Eu no longer works, it has not worked since it opened up to the smaller economies.

you cannot have a central bank deciding on policies to do with the economies of such a wide ranging group of countries.

there are 4 of the top 10 economies in the world, these have different fiscal requirements than Ireland at 37, or Lithuania at 87, Latvia at 101...

What will increase the German, or french economy, could well screw the Greece economy.
it started out as a common trading area, and was OK for that, then they started creating a federal united states of Europe, that will fail, we have been aklsed if we want to be part of a federal united states of Europe, and have said No, to call us all xenophobic, is insulting and down right lazy.

 

[Kenny]

In your case it's true though...going on previous posts across the forum.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

those same older generation that is the reason you can spout shite and insult the majority of this country you mean?

Ah, this old chestnut. Anyone who fought in the Second World War is at least 90 years old by now. How much of the Brexit vote do you think they constituted?

 

[Tony Towner]

we have been aklsed if we want to be part of a federal united states of Europe

No we haven't

 

[So Long Architect]

Not so. It was founded in 1950 by Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands as a means of securing a peaceful continent after such a bloody period of warfare. It was always intended to be a political as well as economic union. Those countries did well economically out of closer cooperation in the '60s and the oil crisis of the early 70s and resulting economic difficulties prompted the UK, Ireland and Denmark to request membership.

The UK might have only wanted an economic membership of the club but that was never the sole purpose of the EU.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

So from three brexit posters on this thread, two live in the EU and one wants to.

There is a well known phrase which comes to mind.

Hope you aren't including me in that, i was always for staying in and have never said anything different

 

[Johnny75]

those same older generation that is the reason you can spout $#@!e and insult the majority of this country you mean?

How does that work then?

you cannot have a central bank deciding on policies to do with the economies of such a wide ranging group of countries.

This is true, it cannot work without unilateral agreement. If only this was highlighted by the OUT campaign instead of....

we have been aklsed if we want to be part of a federal united states of Europe,

Which wasn't the question at all but you go ahead and believe that if you want.

to call us all xenophobic, is insulting and down right lazy.

Yep, Farage's poster, all of the stuff about immigrants taking British jobs and costing your life by not being able to see an over worked doctor (where the millions spent in the EU could be distributed) isn't xenophobic at all. I wonder where anybody could have got such an idea, can you help me?

Just an anecdote for you Brexiteers; Wedgewood, a grand old English company and Waterford, a grand old Irish company, had an EU grant to bring back jobs from the far East and put in place an infrastructure whereby workers jobs in the UK and Ireland were guaranteed and created and whereby Head Offices are legally bound to be kept in those places for a number of years. To go with this museums and vistor attractions were also funded (at 50%) for both so they could diversify and educate local populations and foreign visitors on the history of both industries (ceramics and glass). I can't imagine this Tory government doing any of that, in fact they didn't want anything to do with this project. So for those saying the EU didn't work, this and many other cases prove they are flat out wrong.

 

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-citizens-keep-same-rights-post-brexit-expert

Awesome, just fucking awesome. Going to be many hundreds of Euros if not more out of pocket applying for various citizenship's and passports just to keep the rights I already have. Thanks dickheads.