REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[MARKakaJIM]

Where do you live? And can I come?

You want to move back into the EU already?! Well I never!

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Ultimately I always argued the EU was a club you are fully in or fully out. The last 25 years have shown successive UK governments from both major parties plus a coalition had little appetite to play by the whole rules of that club hence no euro no km , no schenghen etc.
Since that was the case whatever algorithms I put to it the UK was destined to leave the EU sooner or later. The vote has made it sooner. Perhaps if we could fast forward 5 years we would see with some hope how far we have come post EU. I believe that will be the case. But you have to give me 5 years to prove it!

 

[Deleted Cyber]

You want to move back into the EU already?! Well I never!

I wanted to move to Spain. Put it on hold because of brexit. Its not about what iuius right for me its what is right for UK. Shit happens but that won't compromise my brexit belief. It just adds time to my retirement plan and makes me consider other options
Hopefully I will be able to do summer UK and winter. In Spain. That way its a win win. However with the brexit uncertainties I will have to wait. Doesn't make brexit wrong though

 

[Langers]

So you've cast your 'leave' vote, have said 'suck it up losers' and will leave us to 'suck it up' whilst you swan off to live in the EU despite voting against it, an opportunity that many of us could never have?

Yeah - cheers. We'll probably start being gracious in defeat once we're 'over it'.

 

[Penk Wolf]

FTSE 100 isn't the only indices doing well, so the dollar argument is a little weak.

Speaking to many Americans last week who seem to think leaving the EU had killed our economy it's understandable that the pound is so weak if that's how the World is perceiving it.

I've just read too many pages of this thread and wish I'd never, I can't believe how bitter people on here.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So you've cast your 'leave' vote, have said 'suck it up losers' and will leave us to 'suck it up' whilst you swan off to live in the EU despite voting against it, an opportunity that many of us could never have?

Yeah - cheers. We'll probably start being gracious in defeat once we're 'over it'.

Maybe. Its called informed choice. At the moment I choose to stay. Having worked hard all my life, never been unemployed, paid into pensions since 18 I guess that was what I expected to be able to do. If we had voted remain I would not have been as happy but I cant see myself being as vitriolic as some have been on here. I love Europe. I love European people. I have employed people from France Spain Italy Denmark and latterly Slovakia.i don't like the current iteration of the EU its policies and protocols and the direction it wanted to go. A subtle but significant difference Langer's. We all have something to suck up. I have to put my plans on hold and accept for the time being my currency is worth less and buys me less abroad. It may even price me out. Suck it up I will. For me the chance to make a break from the EU and the direction it wanted to take the UK was what I voted for as I felt it was better for the country. Not necessarily for me. Therefore voters have to accept brexit. The whole divisive conversation about it needs to stop and people from all sides should move on. There is too much evidence on here that perople just want to fight about something that they now can't change. My irritation about it stems from the 15 year apathy of British voters not to change a system or not to vote at all. Then moan about the outcomes.
I know I am fortunate. I know that I am in a better position than most. But there wass not silver spoon or hand up. The luck and fortune came from hard work, stress and Lots of disappointment so you will have to forgive me if I say I have earned the right to make my choices.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The only outcome we are moaning about is from a vote that wasn't run on party lines and where any form of change in the voting system would have been irrelevant as it was a simple choice of two.

The bitterness comes from 48% of the country being told to get on with it by the 52%. Well, sorry if I don't feel too damn happy about that. I think the decision is utterly the wrong direction for the country and I will continue to do so as long as there is a hole on my arse.

Frankly this talk of remainers should have had a plan for this is bollocks. YOU wanted this. YOU bloody deal with it. I want nothing to do with it.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

The only outcome we are moaning about is from a vote that wasn't run on party lines and where any form of change in the voting system would have been irrelevant as it was a simple choice of two.

The bitterness comes from 48% of the country being told to get on with it by the 52%. Well, sorry if I don't feel too damn happy about that. I think the decision is utterly the wrong direction for the country and I will continue to do so as long as there is a hole on my arse.

Frankly this talk of remainers should have had a plan for this is bollocks. YOU wanted this. YOU bloody deal with it. I want nothing to do with it.

Well that sums it up in a nutshell. We will clear up the mess made and we will plan it efficiently and effectively over time. As you and many others do not wish to be part of the solution in that way perhaps you could consider moving abroad? Obviously now we have ruined Britain there is nothing more for you here. The infrastructure here as many have stated from all political sides is only fit to support 60 million max. If we managed to export more people than import for the next 2 years that would also take some pressure off. Then in 5 years when Britain is fixed and EU free you are welcome to come back free of penalty to enjoy the fruits of my labours and all thoise who will make brexit work. But when we do please give us the credit. I look forward to it.

 

[Penk Wolf]

The only outcome we are moaning about is from a vote that wasn't run on party lines and where any form of change in the voting system would have been irrelevant as it was a simple choice of two.

The bitterness comes from 48% of the country being told to get on with it by the 52%. Well, sorry if I don't feel too damn happy about that. I think the decision is utterly the wrong direction for the country and I will continue to do so as long as there is a hole on my arse.

Frankly this talk of remainers should have had a plan for this is bollocks. YOU wanted this. YOU bloody deal with it. I want nothing to do with it.

But is it 48% being bitter and 52% telling people to get on with or are the majority of both sides just getting on with it regardless?

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Had i been able to vote i would have voted to stay in, as my belief was that we had more chance to change a failing system from within than without. Especially as there are some very crucial national elections coming up in the next 12 months, such as Spain, Germany and France, which form a large part of Europe's leading economies.

With these elections in mind and a general apathy gaining ground through the EU countries, the big boys will have no choice but to do a hard deal from the GB point of view, in order not only to bring the doubters in Europe into line, but also with their own national elections in mind.

During the summer friends from Austria, Germany, France, Italy, Belgium and Holland have sat and chatted long about their thoughts on Europe, and the general consensus seemed to be it was a good idea that has now gone to the dogs and simply forgotten individuals in favour of banks and big business.

One of my friends runs a major bank in Austria, and he said in the summer that he could not see Merkel holding onto power and continuing to be Europe's major source of finance. Add that to the amount of countries who simply cannot elect a majority government, or where the right are rising beyond expectations, and things simply look dire for the future of the EU.

All in all, in my humble opinion, this would have made GB one of the few stable countries in the block and a seriously big player had we stayed in, but we didn't so i am resigned to a very tough deal indeed.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Well that sums it up in a nutshell. We will clear up the mess made and we will plan it efficiently and effectively over time. As you and many others do not wish to be part of the solution in that way perhaps you could consider moving abroad? Obviously now we have ruined Britain there is nothing more for you here. The infrastructure here as many have stated from all political sides is only fit to support 60 million max. If we managed to export more people than import for the next 2 years that would also take some pressure off. Then in 5 years when Britain is fixed and EU free you are welcome to come back free of penalty to enjoy the fruits of my labours and all thoise who will make brexit work. But when we do please give us the credit. I look forward to it.

I can't afford to move abroad. Plus this is my home. Why should I be forced out because you lot have fucked it up?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I can't afford to move abroad. Plus this is my home. Why should I be forced out because you lot have $#@!ed it up?

You are not being forced out. You have said you do not want to be involved moving forward. The mess has been made by those who voted out and they need to sort it weithout help or advice from remain voters. Frankly that is far too sweeping a statement. should you stray here you will be part oif the solution moving forward like it or not. Your taxes will fund solutions. Your productivity will boost the economy.
I understand that the country voted for something that many on here did not want. But they have. The only way forward is to realise that and stop wasting energy on a result that can't be changed but put that energy into making it work IMHO.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Just a thought, but maybe saying things like "you lost, suck it up cupcakes" isn't the best way forward if you want collaboration and harmony.

As for being bitter, I don't care if I'm perceived to be that way, I'm having citizenship ripped away from me and I feel completely disenfranchised politically, how exactly am I supposed to feel about that? Some of you lot might not care about either of those things but I certainly do.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

You are not being forced out.

You just told me to fuck off if I don't like it.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

You just told me to fuck off if I don't like it.

He suggested it as a option you could explore to be fair, which doesn't seem unreasonable if you're not on board with the UK's non-EU future and aren't willing to commit to it then it doesn't sound too unreasonable suggestion to me, obviously it's not going to be a very practical solution for many though what with work/family ties and in many cases an inability to speak any foreign language well enough to settle there.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

You just told me to fuck off if I don't like it.

He suggested it as a option you could explore to be fair, which doesn't seem unreasonable if you're not on board with the UK's non-EU future and aren't willing to commit to it then it doesn't sound too unreasonable suggestion to me, obviously it's not going to be a very practical solution for many though what with work/family ties and in many cases an inability to speak any foreign language well enough to settle there.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Why should I consider it? Even though I can't afford it at all. And family ties say no. It is a fucking disgraceful suggestion.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Just a thought, but maybe saying things like "you lost, suck it up cupcakes" isn't the best way forward if you want collaboration and harmony.

As for being bitter, I don't care if I'm perceived to be that way, I'm having citizenship ripped away from me and I feel completely disenfranchised politically, how exactly am I supposed to feel about that? Some of you lot might not care about either of those things but I certainly do.

In fairness I said that out of exasperation as the same complaints were being said time and time again and I acknowledged that. I also acknowledged that I have to make changes be cause of brexit too. What really really surprises me is so many people complaining and wasting energy on a result they cannot change. You included. You are clearly intelligent and have honestly held views and opinions. However your washing your hands approach seems to conflict with every thing else you have posted on here. Paddington is the same as to a lesser extent is Langer's. You all usually fight your corner not throw your toys and give up. I can't and won't enter into a slanging match on here. But I am Troy disappointed the likes of those mentioned are so fed up that you have taken such a stance. If you do what you've always done you get what you always got.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

It really isn't disgraceful in any way.

All he's saying is that if you don't like a situation and don't want to try to correct it, that's your perogative, then perhaps look for a way out of that situation?

He's not mentioned anything about forcing you out or anything, it's a very loose suggestion.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Absolute bollocks Mark. Absolute bollocks.