REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Templeton Peck]

The rhetoric this week concerning 'Brexit' reminds me of the phrase 'Be careful what you wish for'. I wouldn't question the referendum result. I do question the outcome. However I shall grin and bare it.

Actually, I will probably $#@! off elsewhere. I don't want to reside in a xenophobic isolationist country. Sad, as I have been happy living here for 62 years. Enjoy.

I truly believe we are taking the first baby steps towards becoming a fascist state. Race related crime has increased since the result and listing foreign workers is the natural next stage for this kind of thinking to go to. My real fear is what happens in 5 years time when wages are still low, jobs are still insecure and housing is still too expensive. To whom will the anger turn then?

 

[Parkins left foot]

Reading this thread over the last couple of days confirms that I was right in not posting frequently on it.

With the vote in everything that is seen as detrimental can be attributed to the Brexit result, though if we had voted to Remain then adverse things would still have happened & impacted on our economy – presumably they would then have been as a result of that choice?

The lack of any plan as to what to do next is a failure of both sides. If you offer a black/white choice, then surely whether you wanted ‘out’ or ‘in’ then it would have been prudent to have looked at a contingency plan if the opposite of what you wanted actually happened (or even if what you did want occurred).

Did I expect the EU (and its leading players) to play hardball after an Out vote – yes that is inevitable if they are to head off similar campaigners in their own countries. Though really don’t think that Messrs Hollande, Merkel, Junker et al would have been any more favourably disposed towards us if we had voted Remain. They would possibly have considered that as we had had our ‘one chance in a lifetime’ vote & stayed that they could ignore UK future concerns as we weren’t likely to go back for a second go.

The UK has never been more than partially engaged in the ‘EU project’ – not a part of Schengen or the Euro (both correct decisions in my view) & the Euro has still significant troubles to come.

A European banking crisis has not been averted & this may still bring the currency to its knees (not even sure the German banking system is that secure let alone that of other countries – i.e. Italy or Portugal). Without full fiscal convergence then a single currency is always going to be vulnerable.

Full monetary & fiscal union infers a transfer of funds from richer to poorer areas – single currency countries do this (not always sensibly or fairly though), but not so easily done when there is a large number of independent states involved. How long will Germany (& it will need to be them) agree to be the paymaster without full control of the levers.

Ultimately we just need to get on and take the next step now that the vote is in and agree terms to leave, whether that is seen as a good or bad deal. At the moment we are in limbo which just exacerbates any uncertainty.

(apologies for the length of this post, though views on here are becoming far too polarised which does not bode well for this Country if this is a national trend)

 

[Johnny75]

I think you make some very good points PLF, particularly on the Euro and fiscal union. We weren't in that in the first place mind you and I'm not sure anybody could've forced us to accept that either.

I think, mighty fortunately, we may have dodged a bullet as Deutsche Bank is under tremendous strain and needs an RBS style bail out shortly and this will have a cascade effect (some predicting a tsunami) across southern and eastern Euro countries. We of course will not be affected by this.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

What a load of crap. Go back and read your post Nando commented on. Telling people to suck it up brought the ire you're complaining about. You deserved everything you got.

Tell me, how much business have you ever done with Europe? And why will we be better off now trade agreements have been more or less ruled out by other Euro leaders? And you telling us they need us isn't proof of this. Some actual figures and ideas would be a good start.

How do we increase trade with Anerica now we are at the back of the queue? And selling to China isn't going to happen anytime soon due to them being completely self-sustainable. How do we improve our economy?

And what to you do with current immigrants?

I have finally found a setting for johnny of the internet. Its called ignore. Suggest he uses it for me too as his blood pressure is surely to high to cope with the stress reading posts appears to cause him.

To others I still welcome non personal balanced debate. Who knows we may collectively have a real idea of a way forward that's palitable

 

[Johnny75]

I have finally found a setting for johnny of the internet. Its called ignore. Suggest he uses it for me too as his blood pressure is surely to high to cope with the stress reading posts appears to cause him.

To others I still welcome non personal balanced debate. Who knows we may collectively have a real idea of a way forward that's palitable

To echo Nando, what a load of condescending shite. You were supposed to put a way forward not ask those who voted to Remain. How can you vote for something you have no plan for? It's just a barmy way of looking at things.

I also asked a lot of questions which you and other Brexiteers have consistently failed to answer. I don't understand how any of you think 'we won, suck it up' is acceptable without putting forward a plan or answering the most basic questions put to you. And yes, many people who voted out are Xenophobic Nationalistic arseholes, that is not disputed by any corner (and I didn't say you were one of them).

But if you want to ignore me in the third person after quoting my post (not very clever if you want somebody to ignore you) then go ahead. I'll miss your informed opinions on goal keeping and wonderful use of football stats to prove the square route of fuck all, always insightful....

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

I think this paragraph from 'Parky' perfectly sums up the situation as it stands right now.

Did I expect the EU (and its leading players) to play hardball after an Out vote – yes that is inevitable if they are to head off similar campaigners in their own countries. Though really don’t think that Messrs Hollande, Merkel, Junker et al would have been any more favourably disposed towards us if we had voted Remain. They would possibly have considered that as we had had our ‘one chance in a lifetime’ vote & stayed that they could ignore UK future concerns as we weren’t likely to go back for a second go

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Europe is in a mess, and there are many other members who if given a referendum would vote out.
The remaining major EU governments, especially those with elections coming, and those who have failed to form a majority government after elections, have no choice but to show severity wherever possible in the upcoming Brexit negotiations, to forstal referendum requests in their own back yard, and the possible exit vote that might very well ensue in many of them.

 

[arklowolf]

I think this paragraph from 'Parky' perfectly sums up the situation as it stands right now.

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Europe is in a mess, and there are many other members who if given a referendum would vote out.
The remaining major EU governments, especially those with elections coming, and those who have failed to form a majority government after elections, have no choice but to show severity wherever possible in the upcoming Brexit negotiations, to forstal referendum requests in their own back yard, and the possible exit vote that might very well ensue in many of them.

Well put.
Well out of it.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I think this paragraph from 'Parky' perfectly sums up the situation as it stands right now.

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Europe is in a mess, and there are many other members who if given a referendum would vote out.
The remaining major EU governments, especially those with elections coming, and those who have failed to form a majority government after elections, have no choice but to show severity wherever possible in the upcoming Brexit negotiations, to forstal referendum requests in their own back yard, and the possible exit vote that might very well ensue in many of them.

That reasons echoed with poeople to vote out. I think it is very sensible to buy as much time as possible while making effective plans. They after all, take time. The EU will have some time to look at itself to see why so many members are rightly scared of another set of leave votes.
Interesting 2 years ahead. The number of non EU countries wanting to have trade agreements will be an interesting list. The economy is perfoirming OK. Confidence is returning. That's why slow sure planning is good

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The economy is absolutely NOT performing okay FFS. It is falling off a fucking cliff.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

It's not at all.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yes it is. The pound has completely collapsed.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Yes it is. The pound has completely collapsed.

It got shafted on Friday. Let's see what happens this week. Money men are good at making money and Friday was an opportunity. I still believe it will be fine medium term and strong post brexit

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I am so glad you feel confident. There is nothing macro or micro economic out there in terms of evidence to suggest it will.

Friday was one day with a big drop from an Asian cause. However, the pound was still MILES below the point it was at the moment the referendum result was announced.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

DP...

 

[Tony Towner]

On Friday it fell from $1.27 to $1.24. Ignore Friday if you want $1.27 is the lowest the £ has traded versus the $ in 31 years. Up until Thursday it had declined by 14% since the referendum was called. That is only good for two things, UK exports which as we know is minimal as we don't have a manufacturing base anymore and foreign visitors. I'm sure we can all enjoy the irony of more none Brits coming to the country as a result of Brexit.

 

[arklowolf]

Cheaper for me to come over, and go shopping up North.
Coming over to London in November for a few days. Absolute bargain.
Every cloud eh?

 

[arklowolf]

Plenty of time for things to improve in time for my pension as long as you Brits get you fingers out and start producing.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We sort of don't have much of a manufacturing sector to do that. Who knew?

 

[arklowolf]

We sort of don't have much of a manufacturing sector to do that. Who knew?

You used to have. Had one here at one time as well. And fishing and farming and pharma and pubs, we used to have them as well but it's all gone now. Still we've got phone shops, take-aways, electric fag shops and multi-nationals. Oh yeah and heroin, suicides and buy to let options. Oh and I forgot, miles of motorways with no cars on them. Thanks for paying for those by the way.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

You used to have. Had one here at one time as well. And fishing and farming and pharma and pubs, we used to have them as well but it's all gone now. Still we've got phone shops, take-aways, electric fag shops and multi-nationals. Oh yeah and heroin, suicides and buy to let options. Oh and I forgot, miles of motorways with no cars on them. Thanks for paying for those by the way.

Where do you live? And can I come?