REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's not a bloody football match, it's not about 'your side'. It's watching a country chuck itself down the toilet voluntarily.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

It's not a bloody football match, it's not about 'your side'. It's watching a country chuck itself down the toilet voluntarily.

It isn't. Its moving away from a federal state that it did not want to be part of as it did not want monetary union or many other EU policies. That is fact. It is far too late to bleat about it now. Remainers just don't get it. For whatever reason you lost. There is no re run. No second chance. You lost. My view is that was a culmination of poor choices that means we are where we are. Cameron failed to deliver change, Corbyn was and continues to be a waste of space politically, the liberals are dead, we fucked up the PR vote and now we are leaving the EU. That is a result of a number of decisions not just the final vote. For those other decisions the entire country takes the blame. We are therefore exactly where we deserve to be. No amount of bleating changes that. I repeat it is now down to all of us to pull together and move us out of the EU. That is the only way this will benefit us

 

[Johnny75]

Pmsl! Where in any way is my post patronising? Factual? Yes , a dig at the left? Yes. Patronising no. Truth hurts doesn't it

He's right, stick it up your arse along with the xenophobic cunts that voted Brexit and if there's any more room fart Jerusalum in a nationalistic tone.

Fucking arseholes don't know what they voted for and its the fucking cunts of the older generation that haven't a fucking clue that did this.

 

[Alan]

Not normally keen to throw around the "slippery slope" argument, but if Brexit was all about defederalization then why shouldn't every county in the UK attempt to become sovereign?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Well no, if we're couching it in terms of 'you', then 'you' lot sort it out. Because it was 'you' who had the brilliant idea of leaving. With the amazing minds on 'your' side, 'you' can't fail, surely. But don't expect 'our' help, you pricks, because 'we' are in no mood to help you.

 

[Johnny75]

Well no, if we're couching it in terms of 'you', then 'you' lot sort it out. Because it was 'you' who had the brilliant idea of leaving. With the amazing minds on 'your' side, 'you' can't fail, surely. But don't expect 'our' help, you pricks, because 'we' are in no mood to help you.

Too fucking right. They can go fuck themselves, they got the result so they can sort it out.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Not sure when 51% became "we". A very small minority was the difference, not an overwhelming landslide of public opinion. Nobody won, there was just an outcome. An outcome of a shoddily handled referendum, a poorly planned referendum that was little more than a series of soundbites from both sides.

 

[Alan]

Not sure when 51% became "we". A very small minority was the difference, not an overwhelming landslide of public opinion. Nobody won, there was just an outcome. An outcome of a shoddily handled referendum, a poorly planned referendum that was little more than a series of soundbites from both sides.

Most popular votes pan out roughly this way, though.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

He's right, stick it up your arse along with the xenophobic $#@!s that voted Brexit and if there's any more room fart Jerusalum in a nationalistic tone.

$#@!ing arseholes don't know what they voted for and its the $#@!ing $#@!s of the older generation that haven't a $#@!ing clue that did this.

I just love reasoned debate with voters who don't like the result afterwards. Xenophobic? You don't know me. You don't know squat about my life. You don't know anything about my background. Basically calling me a xenophobic arse hole shows you to be very naive and petty as well as poorly informed. Guess what. We are leaving the EU and there is nothing more that can be done to stop it. Reality check. I repeat there was a time for action between 2008 and 2015 and the majority singularly failed to take that action. Did you vote for PR? Did you vote Tory? Did you vote to remain? Did you do everything you could to stay in the EU? No ? Thought not

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Not sure when 51% became "we". A very small minority was the difference, not an overwhelming landslide of public opinion. Nobody won, there was just an outcome. An outcome of a shoddily handled referendum, a poorly planned referendum that was little more than a series of soundbites from both sides.

51% voted out. 34% voted Tory. Yet we have a Tory majority. The system is fucked and will remain fucked now

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Not sure when 51% became "we". A very small minority was the difference, not an overwhelming landslide of public opinion. Nobody won, there was just an outcome. An outcome of a shoddily handled referendum, a poorly planned referendum that was little more than a series of soundbites from both sides.

51% voted out. 34% voted Tory. Yet we have a Tory majority. The system is fucked and will remain fucked now

 

[arklowolf]

Well no, if we're couching it in terms of 'you', then 'you' lot sort it out. Because it was 'you' who had the brilliant idea of leaving. With the amazing minds on 'your' side, 'you' can't fail, surely. But don't expect 'our' help, you pricks, because 'we' are in no mood to help you.[/Q

Sad.

 

[Johnny75]

I just love reasoned debate with voters who don't like the result afterwards. Xenophobic? You don't know me. You don't know squat about my life. You don't know anything about my background. Basically calling me a xenophobic arse hole shows you to be very naive and petty as well as poorly informed. Guess what. We are leaving the EU and there is nothing more that can be done to stop it. Reality check. I repeat there was a time for action between 2008 and 2015 and the majority singularly failed to take that action. Did you vote for PR? Did you vote Tory? Did you vote to remain? Did you do everything you could to stay in the EU? No ? Thought not

I don't believe I called you anything. And I'm not sure you understand the meaning of irony with this latest diatribe of crap.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Sad.

When Leave voters stop talking like this:

All this boo hooing from the centre left is pointless. Had your chance and blew it. Had your chance to vote for PR and blew it. Had your chance to vote a decent Labour leader twice and blew it and as a result 34% of the vote gets you a Tory majority. I won't vote ukip any more as it has done its job but where do I vote now. Politics in the UK is in a shocking state. You get the government you deserve. Suck it up cupcakes.

Then maybe Remain voters might be minded to be conciliatory. Why would we be as it stands? It's a bunch of gloating arseholes who haven't got a clue what they're doing. They dug the hole, they can get themselves out of it, I for one refuse to have any part in it. It is their mess, not mine.

 

[arklowolf]

When Leave voters stop talking like this:



Then maybe Remain voters might be minded to be conciliatory. Why would we be as it stands? It's a bunch of gloating arseholes who haven't got a clue what they're doing. They dug the hole, they can get themselves out of it, I for one refuse to have any part in it. It is their mess, not mine.

We'll I was never asked about joining the eu in the first place. I never voted for Blair either. I just had to get on with it. You'll have to do the same mate. Neither of us or what we think are that important in the grand scheme of things.
It'll be alright I reckon.

 

[nimrod]

blimey, this thread regressed all of a sudden. I don't think the us and them is about the brexit result anymore. we will all win or gain together as a country, the only guarantee is that the rich and the establishment will not lose anything, particularly under this government. if there are two sides outside of the rich and the established it's those asking questions about how brexit should be delivered without us losing much as a country and those who don't like the questions being asked. as said before, democracy didn't end with brexit, it has to deliver a credible plan. if it's not credible, expect critique and don't be a wuss about it.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

51% voted out. 34% voted Tory. Yet we have a Tory majority. The system is $#@!ed and will remain $#@!ed now

Your comparison isn't valid. The conservatives have a majority in a representative democracy determined by first past the post. Within that representative democracy there is a system of checks and balances - opposition parties, committees, a second chamber and regular elections providing the opportunity to change. The EU referendum provides for none of this, nearly half of those who voted are disenfranchised by the outcome and you suggest "we" all have to pull together. We have to pull together despite the fact that our leaders clearly didn't plan for the outcome and those that campaigned for the outcome never outlined what out meant.

Sorry, but I won't pull together to try and hide the fact that it is an incompetent outcome.

 

[arklowolf]

blimey, this thread regressed all of a sudden. I don't think the us and them is about the brexit result anymore. we will all win or gain together as a country, the only guarantee is that the rich and the establishment will not lose anything, particularly under this government. if there are two sides outside of the rich and the established it's those asking questions about how brexit should be delivered without us losing much as a country and those who don't like the questions being asked. as said before, democracy didn't end with brexit, it has to deliver a credible plan. if it's not credible, expect critique and don't be a wuss about it.

Correct.

 

[arklowolf]

Your comparison isn't valid. The conservatives have a majority in a representative democracy determined by first past the post. Within that representative democracy there is a system of checks and balances - opposition parties, committees, a second chamber and regular elections providing the opportunity to change. The EU referendum provides for none of this, nearly half of those who voted are disenfranchised by the outcome and you suggest "we" all have to pull together. We have to pull together despite the fact that our leaders clearly didn't plan for the outcome and those that campaigned for the outcome never outlined what out meant.

Sorry, but I won't pull together to try and hide the fact that it is an incompetent outcome.

How do plan to not 'pull together'?

 

[Tony Towner]

I see Cyber is peddling his PR angle again, even though on numerous occasions it has been pointed out that the PR which was being offered would have had a negligible difference to any GE result. In fact it is debatable as to whether AV is proportional representation at all, which is why I for one who would like to see a representative Parliament and am in favour of PR didn't vote in favour of what was being offered. I also fail to see the parallel being drawn between PR and a referendum with only two options.