Preston 1 - 1 Wolves: an acceptable away point verdict thread

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Seen a lot of this in the match day and on social media so when I watched it was expecting tackles flying in everywhere and getting kicked to shit. Quite the opposite. They put in 2 bad tackles in the first half and were rightly booked. A cynical foul in the second half saw him go. Few soft fouls given against us and a few throw in fouls he maybe got wrong but largely it was an easy game to referee and he managed it pretty well.

He really didn't manage it well at all. Welsh and and Fisher were rightly booked in the first half but Johnson should have been after his tackle on Cav over on our left which was worse than both of those tackles imo. He also made a poor tackle later which went unpunished too. He also missed or just failed to give us free kicks for pull backs or clipping of heels which was happening regularly. He gave them every 50-50, those soft fouls against us were constant in the first half and one against Cav looked an awful decision with him going into the penalty area. Every time a Preston play dropped to the floor with a Wolves player next to him they got the free kick even when it was clear at least 4 times that our player had got the ball and contact was minimal.

As White Wolf says the linesman was just as bad, both he and ref missed a shove in the back of Douglas in the first half which lead to a good Preston chance and then missed the tackle on Doc in the second half. Yes their lad got the ball first but then followed through and wiped Doc out yet he played on.

Not sure how it came across on the camera for the highlights but being there he definitely didn't manage the game well.

 

[PuntsWolf]

He really didn't manage it well at all. Welsh and and Fisher were rightly booked in the first half but Johnson should have been after his tackle on Cav over on our left which was worse than both of those tackles imo. He also made a poor tackle later which went unpunished too. He also missed or just failed to give us free kicks for pull backs or clipping of heels which was happening regularly. He gave them every 50-50, those soft fouls against us were constant in the first half and one against Cav looked an awful decision with him going into the penalty area. Every time a Preston play dropped to the floor with a Wolves player next to him they got the free kick even when it was clear at least 4 times that our player had got the ball and contact was minimal.

As White Wolf says the linesman was just as bad, both he and ref missed a shove in the back of Douglas in the first half which lead to a good Preston chance and then missed the tackle on Doc in the second half. Yes their lad got the ball first but then followed through and wiped Doc out yet he played on.

Not sure how it came across on the camera for the highlights but being there he definitely didn't manage the game well.

It didn’t come across like that at all. But I feel I had the benefit of watching it objectively having already known the result and not being in the heat of the moment. The Johnson one wasn’t really a yellow given he’d pretty much done nothing else, wasn’t exactly a stone wall card and he made one other challenge all game. So at worst he gets a yellow. Didn’t see too much off the pulling or clipping heels which denied us, yes it happened but we played on as we had an advantage, the equaliser being one of them.

Those soft fouls were annoying, but it wasn’t obvious they were or weren’t fouls from the TV so no idea how could be sure from 120 yards away.

As for the doc one he didn’t play on, he stopped it as soon as keeper took the kick when he realised he was still down.

 

[The Bear]

Does anyone think Ruddy should have done better with the header? I know he couldn't help it getting to the back post, but it was from a very narrow angle that they scored and it essentially must have gone through his hands. I didn't think it was that powerful that he couldn't react either.

Or was it just one of those goals where if you don't win the ball from the cross then it's not really anyone else's fault as it was just a good header?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The latter I think. He's no more than 7-8 yards out and he bullets it. It's going to take some save from there (he actually pulled off a blinder vs QPR and then their offside player hooked in the rebound).

Seems to be a bit of a mini-campaign against Ruddy lately (not you, but in the wider community). Odd.

 

[The Bear]

Latter for me too. Just thought I'd see if someone jumped on it given, as you say, that he's had some criticism lately.

 

[Alan]

I haven't seen any more negativity around Ruddy than, say, Douglas.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Twitter's rife with it lately. If you filter out the obvious noise, it's quite a decent barometer of the fanbase.

More so than this forum which for all its qualities, has a fairly small userbase and contains a lot of people who largely think the same way. Which if they agree with me, is the right way of course.

 

[Alan]

Well just give me a ring if you need the pot stirred with any outlandish statements!

:stirthepot:

 

[jd1981]

Really don’t understand certain criticism of Ruddy. Seems like there always has to be the obligatory scapegoat if we don’t win matches.
He’s made some mistakes this season but which keeper wouldn’t, fact is when he has made an error he usually makes up for it with some great saves ie Reading away.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

I've only seen the two tackles for the sending off once but both times our player seemed to do a bit more rolling around on the floor than was necessary so I can sort of see why Preston have been coming out with the 'lightweight, cheating foreigners' bollocks. Especially from a manager like Alex Neil. If it was the other way around I'm sure we would have said something about their players.

Having said that, our players have been on the receiving end of so many disgusting 'tackles' by cloggers that can't handle their skills (including several that should have been red cards) that I think we can excuse them a little bit of embellishment. I'm fed up of seeing our players get constantly hacked down so I can't imagine how pissed off the players must be with it.

 

[Langers]

Seems to be a bit of a mini-campaign against Ruddy lately (not you, but in the wider community). Odd.

Yeah it's very strange - but people are generally strange IMO. He's been a great signing for us but I get the feeling that some people are just waiting for him to drop a clanger so they can start on the 'I told you so's'.

 

[Langers]

I've just seen the comments from Alex Neil.

Fucking hell, what a cock.

We're very lucky to have Nuno, not just because of the football he's got us playing, but he's a class act and very respectful towards other teams/managers. When you've got dickheads like Neil, Bruce, Little Lee, Warnock always getting their digs in, it's so refreshing to hear Nuno talk with respect and integrity.

 

[Tony Towner]

11 red cards against us now this season - 9 in the league, clearly all because of our diving foreigners.

 

[Kenny]

Should be more than 11 as well.

 

[nimrod]

I've only seen the two tackles for the sending off once but both times our player seemed to do a bit more rolling around on the floor than was necessary so I can sort of see why Preston have been coming out with the 'lightweight, cheating foreigners' bollocks. Especially from a manager like Alex Neil. If it was the other way around I'm sure we would have said something about their players.

Having said that, our players have been on the receiving end of so many disgusting 'tackles' by cloggers that can't handle their skills (including several that should have been red cards) that I think we can excuse them a little bit of embellishment. I'm fed up of seeing our players get constantly hacked down so I can't imagine how pissed off the players must be with it.

I don't approve of unnecessary rolling around either, but in this case there seems a context to it. we know from having a lot of time in this division that well organised teams get plenty of men behind the ball and can make it difficult to break down. trips and shirt pulls are used by some teams not as frustrated one offs but as a specific tactic in order to get everyone back. if referees don't punish the tactic because the tackles are not seen as 'dangerous' then the team employing it might be giving frees away but imo are still getting away with cheating. so, if a ref's allowing that, who can blame the team on the receiving end for exaggerating the impact of a tackle.

if alex neil doesn't like the end result, he should stop instructing his team to take players out on the half way line. you see on our goal that as soon as Cav gets away there's a guy trying to haul him back. it's an intentional and pretty see through approach - aka cheating.

 

[Tom Hark]

It's certainly something Jota et al. do more now than in the early part of the season. I think the standard of refereeing has a lot to do with it. Eden Hazard, for example, gets fouled all the time but he doesn't need to make a meal of it because he knows he'll get the decision. Hopefully next year we'll be benefiting from that improvement.

 

[ndorsetwolf]

Amazing. Ever since the game the Preston fans have been absolutely slating us for being cheating, diving foreigners, who surround the referee at every moment.

Well, I've just had a chance to watch the match, and all I could see was Preston players surrounding the ref every time there was a decision to be made. As for the seniding off, Cavaleiro ensured that the ref saw the offence,nothing more. Its an unfortunate side effect of the modern game that it seems that it has become necessary to emphasise the foul or many referees don't give it.

And, quite frankly, the guy was lucky not to be sent off for his first one, a horrible over the top late challenge. Still, at his advanced years I suppose he got there as quick as he could.

I've always had time for PNE, grew up about 5 miles away, salt of the earth etc. Need to take their blinkers off and see what Alex Neil is doing to their football style.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

This thread is just wow http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105415

From a team with the worst discipline in the league, they are surely deluded?!

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

This thread is just wow http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105415

From a team with the worst discipline in the league, they are surely deluded?!

Oh dear thats so scary.
You can foul without getting Yellows.the difference is that fouls that stop breaks such as the second yellow the PNE player will always be yellow.
As will dangerous tackles such as his first when he raised his foot.

Someone said on that forum we have the worst disciplinary record so stop blamimg the refs.
They would be well.minded to do that.

They have the worat disciplinary record becausebthere manager sends the players out with a note to leave a mark on the opponent, stop them from playing there game.

He was a thug as a player he manages as a thug.

 

[The Bear]

The one argument they are clinging to is that we committed more fouls in the game than them. Well, that's all down to the ref. For the first half he was the biggest homer I'd ever seen for a long time. It's no wonder he gave more against us than them.