Palace 1-0 Wolves: Verdict Thread

[Freddeno]

Kilman and Jose were our best players today.

im struggling to see a best player...but maybe Kilman then

 

[Walnut]

Ok, why not try a 442 then and keep the holding midfielders. Silva could actually be played according to his strengths, with a target man kind of striker. Neto and Adama going down the flanks challenging with FB or CM back up. 532 seems defensive, especially when we set the defensive line so low. I think that is the quick fix BTW. And, on another note, dont agree with the sentiment that Kilman is slow.

I agree with your comments. Can't be worse than it is now.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Really?

What did Fabio do?

I’m not even digging him out. Tough gig coming on with 10 minutes left in a side that’s playing so appallingly. But to say he did more than Neto is nonsense.

I felt sorry for Podence. He did some nice things in the first half but it all goes back to the tactics for me. You can’t pass the ball to a wide player and expect him to run 40 yards with it every single time and then to also come up with some end product.

Tactically, we are in a really bad place right now throughout the side.

Adama was as infuriating as he always is - but at least he tried to do something.

Astounding (but not surprising) that people are singling him out.

I though Silva, git the ball held it tried to find space, played a few passes.

Adama i thought was disinterested, off the pace, wasteful, his crossing was poor, his passingbwas non existent.
Silva was not particularly good, just less shit than the other 3 forwards.

 

[redvictor]

I ordered a chinese tonight. It arrived, missus said don't make a mess. I promptly dropped all my chips on the floor, and the chicken down my front. I bollocked the missus and called the chinese and gave them a mouthful. Can't blame myself for what i did now surely?

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

im struggling to see a best player...but maybe Kilman then

I thought, Boly, Kilman, and WJ were our best players, every other player was not much better than a 4

 

[t3ch]

I'm not having it. You think Nuno gets all the players together and say " Lads, just pass from side to side in midfield, then lose possesion so the opposition keep attcking us"? The players have a collective responsibility to actually pass the ball to each other and get it up the pitch to the front guys. They are not doing it. Nuno can't be held responsible for the abject failure of his midfield for playing utter shite.

It is, but his players are doing something different. Their confidence is shot, and they look beaten as soon as they concede a goal. I have no idea why, and if they don't kick that beaten feeling we have a long hard road ahead.

I mean... seems that they are playing the system. it worked better when we had jota and jiminez at their best, but it's not like we were klopp-esque team beating people by 5 goals due to our free flowing attacking prowess. not sure what you think we played like before?

cm's holding hands with cb's, passing sideways, etc. other problems we've discussed ad nauseam-- if these are player decisions, and it can't be coached out after several seasons then you're a bad manager.

some of the individual mistakes obviously aren't on nuno, but you can't say the MANAGER OF THE TEAM has no responsibility for the tactics, which are pretty consistent. even if I buy the line that the players are just completely ignoring and rebelling against the coaches (which I don't and is ridiculous), that's still a problem with the coaches. if the players are always playing in the same bad way I just can't comprehend how you let the staff completely off the hook.

 

[PuntsWolf]

The sideways and backwards stuff is literally how we’ve played forever against inferior teams.

hence why in the first season we lost to them or failed to beat in the main. And in the second season got through with individual brilliance.

Our biggest outlets, none of which we have now:

GKs to Docs head so we at worst give away a throw at half way and at best get a throw or the second ball midway.

The outball to Doc/ Jonny and Jota who would then carry us up the pitch.

Any sort of ball to Raul and he might keep it.

That helped us a lot against the better teams. We’ve never progressively moved up the ball up the pitch against anyone.

We don’t have those outlets anymore, we still can’t create against weaker teams, Rui is making Zero saves and we are conceding from set pieces. Recipe for distaster.

Even in the second season we weren’t doing much. We were stealing the fine margins with Donck leg swingers, outrageous quality from Raul/Adama and set pieces.

This palace performance is no different to plenty we’ve seen in the past. Just fine margins going the other way.

We should probably try and and rely less on luck and individual brilliance/mistakes and attack better as a team. Saw signs of that in 4231 (not 433 - dreadful) , needs to come back, should never have gone.

 

[Johnny75]

Adama was the only player to go forward and create anything, I’m really not sure how you can single him out, given the absence of creativity elsewhere.

I didn’t bring him up Fred did.

 

[Johnny75]

he wasnt good but not the worst..who was best according to you Johnny?

Boly

 

[redvictor]

I mean... seems that they are playing the system. it worked better when we had jota and jiminez at their best, but it's not like we were klopp-esque team beating people by 5 goals due to our free flowing attacking prowess.

cm's holding hands with cb's- if that can't be coached out after several seasons then you're a bad manager. etc. other problems we've discussed ad nauseam.

some of the individual mistakes obviously aren't on nuno, but you can't let the MANAGER OF THE TEAM off the hook for our tactics, which are pretty consistent. even if I buy the line that the players are just completely ignoring and rebelling the coaches (which I don't and is ridiculous), that's still a problem with the coaches.

I agree it's not all on the players, but when you play the game you know what the end product is. Score more than the opposition. When i played (in midfield) we were not looking to lose possession. We were always looking to pass or go forward to ultimately score a goal. We didn't need the manager to tell us this. We just did it because we knew that was the game. This was just none pro football. The guys in the pro team shouldn't need coaching on how to play. If they do then they shouldn't be getting a wage.

 

[Jinky]

I though Silva, git the ball held it tried to find space, played a few passes.

Adama i thought was disinterested, off the pace, wasteful, his crossing was poor, his passingbwas non existent.
Silva was not particularly good, just less shit than the other 3 forwards.

We’ll agree to disagree. Fabio did nothing when he came on, but as I say, in a team creating absolutely nothing - even when chasing the game, with only 10 mins left, it’s hardly his fault.

Neto & Jose were the best of our attacking players by some distance. But I did feel for Podence. Our tactics just don’t play to his (or any of the attacking players) strengths.

 

[Johnny75]

I agree it's not all on the players, but when you play the game you know what the end product is. Score more than the opposition. When i played (in midfield) we were not looking to lose possession. We were always looking to pass or go forward to ultimately score a goal. We didn't need the manager to tell us this. We just did it because we knew that was the game. This was just none pro football. The guys in the pro team shouldn't need coaching on how to play. If they do then they shouldn't be getting a wage.

Thanks for making me laugh I really needed that.

Spat my Chinese all down my front.

 

[Johnny75]

We’ll agree to disagree. Fabio did nothing when he came on, but as I say, in a team creating absolutely nothing - even when chasing the game, with only 10 mins left, it’s hardly his fault.

Neto & Jose were the best of our attacking players by some distance. But I did feel for Podence. Our tactics just don’t play to his (or any of the attacking players) strengths.

We did create 3 or 4 chances. Two good saves by the keeper and two shots comfortably saved by him.

But you are right that we don’t create enough.

 

[Tony Towner]

Probably, but never want to have to watch the Wolves back in league 2, that is where I started watching the Wolves

You didn't. We've never played in it

 

[Jinky]

We did create 3 or 4 chances. Two good saves by the keeper and two shots comfortably saved by him.

But you are right that we don’t create enough.

I’ve downed three strong IPA’s since the match finished to try and forget it, so you could well be right, mate. I can only really remember Semedo trying his luck from distance & the Jose header - but I definitely don’t remember us throwing the kitchen sink at them to find an equaliser.

 

[redvictor]

Thanks for making me laugh I really needed that.

Spat my Chinese all down my front.

Didn't think it was that funny, but different strokes etc.

 

[Tony Towner]

A couple have touched on it, but most are missing the biggest issue - confidence. The manager has lost it, the captain's has completely gone. It leads to sitting too deep, playing safety first and ultimately conceding. Moutinho isn't passing the ball backwards, sideways or off the pitch because he's over the hill or his legs have gone, his confidence is shot. Players aren't not trying as I've seen repeated countless times they are being safe or hiding because they've lost self belief.

Nuno absolutely has to find that for himself first and then pass it on to the team. If that doesn't happen then we are in for another 4 months of scraping a point here or there with the odd narrow 1-0/2-1 thrown in

 

[redvictor]

A couple have touched on it, but most are missing the biggest issue - confidence. The manager has lost it, the captain's has completely gone. It leads to sitting too deep, playing safety first and ultimately conceding. Moutinho isn't passing the ball backwards, sideways or off the pitch because he's over the hill or his legs have gone, his confidence is shot. Players aren't not trying as I've seen repeated countless times they are being safe or hiding because they've lost self belief.

Nuno absolutely has to find that for himself first and then pass it on to the team. If that doesn't happen then we are in for another 4 months of scraping a point here or there with the odd narrow 1-0/2-1 thrown in

Toally agree on this.

 

[The Bear]

I’ve downed three strong IPA’s since the match finished to try and forget it, so you could well be right, mate. I can only really remember Semedo trying his luck from distance & the Jose header - but I definitely don’t remember us throwing the kitchen sink at them to find an equaliser.

Our best chance was the Podence cut back which Jose had tipped over.

 

[darlowolf64]

I’ve downed three strong IPA’s since the match finished to try and forget it, so you could well be right, mate. I can only really remember Semedo trying his luck from distance & the Jose header - but I definitely don’t remember us throwing the kitchen sink at them to find an equaliser.

The other one was Jose’s snapshot running across the front of the goal that the keeper turned over the bar but yeah, not much else to shout about