O'Neil Confirmed

[WsWolf]

Regardless of manager, you know that's not how Wolves works

Well yeah. We are probably as likely to beat Man Utd than Luton. Just because it's peak wolves.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Jeff's still in China isn't he?

I don't think he comes back tbh.

I hope not, but I think they'd have found a way to work with Lop if they were getting rid of Shi.

Plus his letter was only last week?

 

[WsWolf]

I hope not, but I think they'd have found a way to work with Lop if they were getting rid of Shi.

Plus his letter was only last week?

Rumour has it the decision to get rid of Lopetegui was taken above Shi's head anyway so I don't think they would.

 

[nimrod]

it’s not really about GON’s ability to develop as a manager - he can and he should. It’s really about how and why he’s ended up as the manager of Wolves. He’s catching flak for Fosun really.

I hope he becomes a great manager for us but his appointment is more a confirmation that Fosun have (half) given up, at least for this season.

what I would add is that there aren’t many managers of Wolves who implemented a successful philosophy/strategy in my supporting life. It’s what made Nuno so great for us.

 

[prawnking]

it’s not really about GON’s ability to develop as a manager - he can and he should. It’s really about how and why he’s ended up as the manager of Wolves. He’s catching flak for Fosun really.

It's not his fault he was offered the job, he should be cutting his teeth at Portsmouth or Bolton, not here.

 

[Johnny75]

I hope not, but I think they'd have found a way to work with Lop if they were getting rid of Shi.

Plus his letter was only last week?

His letter clearly not written by him though. Much like most CEO/ MD content isn't written by that person.

Somebody mentioned it before but whatever this is it's a Fosun decision and they've set the financial strategy which involves not backing Lop with players.

 

[YoungWolf]

Just putting out there that the tactics O’Neil used at Bournemouth are not the only tactics he can ever use again.

Granted, that can break bad as easily as it can work out well. But it’s funny to me how quickly the guy is getting pigeon-holed and given very little benefit of the doubt in terms of his ability to improve as a manager.

That’s what we have to hope!

 

[Dire Wolf]

I just don't see a dramatically poor performance from GoN.

He'd need to lose 7 or 8 of those 10 games to be sacked that early, do you honestly think that'll happen?

It's not impossible.

 

[Derby Wolf]

I just don't see a dramatically poor performance from GoN.

He'd need to lose 7 or 8 of those 10 games to be sacked that early, do you honestly think that'll happen?

United (a)
Brighton (h)
Everton (a)
Palace (a)
Liverpool (h)
Luton (a)
City (h)
Villa (h)
Bournemouth (a)
Newcastle (h)

Realistically I see five defeats, United, Brighton, Liverpool, City, Newcastle.

That leaves four 'winnable' away games and a derby. I think losing 7/8 hinges entirely on how O'Neil sets us up away from home. If it's pure containment and trying to nick something there's too much inconsistency at both ends of the team. it's not inconceivable we dont take the opportunities we create and/or the defence/Sa contribute a mistake to concede.

 

[Alan]

He's pigeon-holed because he has little to no managerial career to speak of, so that's all we have to go on.

Most managers aren't good enough and don't improve enough to be able to manage at this elite level with much success, so it'd be wishful thinking rather than the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, he may well turn out to be Pep II, just like I may win the Lotto tomorrow night

Come on, you know I’m not saying he’s the next Pep.

Fwiw, the underlying numbers liked his Bournemouth side more than they liked us under Julen (our xG and xGA under him were still wretched). Not the whole story, obviously, but no less part of it.

 

[prawnking]

Come on, you know I’m not saying he’s the next Pep.

Of course, that's not what I meant.

The point is, there's a vast gap even between a mediocre novice English manager (which is what he most likely is) and the likes of Lop, Emery, Thomas Frank, and probably even Kompany, let alone Pep

 

[Alan]

That’s fair, though it’s not a gap that’s outright impossible to overcome, however unlikely.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Ok so given the majority on here want GoN fucked off yesterday, who would you have brought in instead.?
Bear in mind there were only 10 days to find a successor to lop, and with what it must have cost to ship him and his crew out, the likes of potter were well out of the financial equation.

 

[WsWolf]

Ok so given the majority on here want GoN fucked off yesterday, who would you have brought in instead.?
Bear in mind there were only 10 days to find a successor to lop, and with what it must have cost to ship him and his crew out, the likes of potter were well out of the financial equation.

Think we should have gone for Zidane or seen if we could coax Fergie out of retirement.

 

[C.L.D]

We talk about Matt Hobbs a lot, but what about the other Matt [Wild]? He'd have to have been involved in a lot of these discussions and chats with Shi/Guo/Fosun

 

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

Playing devil's advocate in regards to the Bournemouth videos we've seen I would say that they both seem to overstate the quality of their squad. Probably the weakest or joint weakest at the start of the season. There seems to be a view that anyone could have kept Bournemouth up based on the quality of their players and I can't agree with that. One of them also talks about overly relying on Tavernier moments of magic like he's Napoli era Maradona. A stretch to say the least.

Their post Christmas results weren't just about the new arrivals either. They spent 54m on 3 players but O'Neil didn't use them that often.

On the vid I posted the view seemed to be that any wins they achieved were because the opposition were shit but every loss was down to O'Neil.

Bruno year one - all stats and metrics were against us, and Sa had the season of a lifetime. Once the anomaly stopped we hit Bruno's level last season. If GON fluked last season -have a look at their stats- then we could be in for another extremely rough ride, with no JL to bail us out

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Ok so given the majority on here want GoN fucked off yesterday, who would you have brought in instead.?
Bear in mind there were only 10 days to find a successor to lop, and with what it must have cost to ship him and his crew out, the likes of potter were well out of the financial equation.

From the other day:

Ryan Mason is a young English coach who wants to be a manager and has taken charge of some PL games recently. He'd be a better bet.

There are better unemployed managers - from the seasoned (Favre) to the up and coming guy with a stellar playing career (Van Nistelrooy) to the caretaker-come-good that O'Neil wishes he was (Digard) to the point to prove man (Potter) to the safeish pair of hands (Hasenhüttl).

Binning someone who seems to have no ties to the place, causes trouble and never seems happy, I can go along with that. Especially as he hadn't put that much of a personal mark on the place, the quality is in the playing staff and I don't think many felt a strong connection with him. Bringing in someone who wouldn't be in the conversation for any other PL job is ridiculous. Just why.

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And you can add in any of Carrick, Robins or McKenna if you wanted to look at the Championship, I'd happily have picked any of them over Gary O'Neil if you asked me a week ago.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Think we should have gone for Zidane or seen if we could coax Fergie out of retirement.

No way the club would pay the required wonga.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

From the other day:

Ryan Mason is a young English coach who wants to be a manager and has taken charge of some PL games recently. He'd be a better bet.

There are better unemployed managers - from the seasoned (Favre) to the up and coming guy with a stellar playing career (Van Nistelrooy) to the caretaker-come-good that O'Neil wishes he was (Digard) to the point to prove man (Potter) to the safeish pair of hands (Hasenhüttl).

Binning someone who seems to have no ties to the place, causes trouble and never seems happy, I can go along with that. Especially as he hadn't put that much of a personal mark on the place, the quality is in the playing staff and I don't think many felt a strong connection with him. Bringing in someone who wouldn't be in the conversation for any other PL job is ridiculous. Just why.

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And you can add in any of Carrick, Robins or McKenna if you wanted to look at the Championship, I'd happily have picked any of them over Gary O'Neil if you asked me a week ago.

Thanks DW, obviously i have no idea from out here up the mountain, and as for the wages they would want not a scooby.

 

[thisisgil]

seen if we could coax Fergie out of retirement.