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Not directly relating to Bruno and more to do with our medical team, but seeing a lot of online criticism about our treatment of injured players i.e. the likes of Sasa and Neto playing on and potentially causing more damage. Do we think there's anything in this?
 
The owners must have known all this. How did they keep him in post? It's ruined our season.
They must have decided that getting rid of the larger characters in the dressing room would fix the problem. Coady, Boly, Saiss, Ruddy having a contract offer withdrawn,

Wasn't ever going to work though as we have at least Neves, Moutinho, Jonny, Podence and Raul who are probably less gregarious but felt the same.
 
Not directly relating to Bruno and more to do with our medical team, but seeing a lot of online criticism about our treatment of injured players i.e. the likes of Sasa and Neto playing on and potentially causing more damage. Do we think there's anything in this?
From those on here much more knowledgeable than me on these things I think it's more that it doesn't look good rather than worsening the injuries.

I don't agree with JP re Sasa, he'd played for Stuttgart less than 2 weeks before and had a full pre season. You could argue whether we should have signed a player with his medical history or whether he should have started after a couple of days training, but I don't see how that applies to his specific injury
 
The 'getting rid of Coady' thing kind of reminds me of bringing in Roger Johnson and making him captain over Karl Henry. Seemed like a good idea at the time, taking the team in a different direction, but rocked the boat and caused upheaval in the dressing room.
 
They must have decided that getting rid of the larger characters in the dressing room would fix the problem. Coady, Boly, Saiss, Ruddy having a contract offer withdrawn,

Wasn't ever going to work though as we have at least Neves, Moutinho, Jonny, Podence and Raul who are probably less gregarious but felt the same.

Why would you back a nobody of manager (on a shit, shit, shit run of form) over the players though?
 
The 'getting rid of Coady' thing kind of reminds me of bringing in Roger Johnson and making him captain over Karl Henry. Seemed like a good idea at the time, taking the team in a different direction, but rocked the boat and caused upheaval in the dressing room.
From listening to some of the old gold podcasts it sounds like Henry was being disruptive and wanting to go in a different direction from Mick anyway. I certainly got the impression that MM and KH weren't as aligned towards the end of MMs tenure as they had been at the start.
 
Why would you back a nobody of manager (on a shit, shit, shit run of form) over the players though?

If anything, surely you'd have done it much earlier during his tenure, when we were in the top half of the league for example?

Doing it when he's on a big downward trajectory is just self-destructive
 
Why would you back a nobody of manager (on a shit, shit, shit run of form) over the players though?
You wouldn't if you understood how football works - we have Jeff Shi and his collection of nodding dogs though, taking advice from a man with a vested interest
 
From listening to some of the old gold podcasts it sounds like Henry was being disruptive and wanting to go in a different direction from Mick anyway. I certainly got the impression that MM and KH weren't as aligned towards the end of MMs tenure as they had been at the start.
Both of them agree now that Henry was too player rather than manager focused, stopped being MMs voice within the group and became more of a shop steward. They also agree that it was handled badly, giving Johnson a bit of a hospital pass.
 
The 'getting rid of Coady' thing kind of reminds me of bringing in Roger Johnson and making him captain over Karl Henry. Seemed like a good idea at the time, taking the team in a different direction, but split the dressing room.
From listening to some of the old gold podcasts it sounds like Henry was being disruptive and wanting to go in a different direction from Mick anyway. I certainly got the impression that MM and KH weren't as aligned towards the end of MMs tenure as they had been at the start.
Quite possibly. If you are one of the other players in any situation like that, you will be tempted/forced to take one side or the other.
I got the feeling recently that some of the players weren't giving 100% for Lage or deliberately playing the wrong ball. An obvious pass ignored, in favour of a less productive one.
We might find out in years to come, (or hopefully weeks if performances improve).
 
I find all the off the field revelations tedious. Where was the reporting when they were happening, when fans could see the players had enough of him? The Jonny fallout was well known, but I think I'm right in saying was only reported in SM land. The local media failed the fans who they are there to represent in favour of keeping on the good side of the club
I agree, although I also sympathise with local football journalists because it's an industry so heavily controlled in terms of access. Showbiz is similar - there are shedloads of reporters out there who largely exist as the middlemen between the corporate spin and the public, putting out press release and press conference quotes/comments but knowing that if they actually critically commented on or analysed those quotes/comments they'll be cut off entirely. But the actual journalism tends to come from people who work at bigger national or global publications because a) they have the resources to take time digging into a story, and don't have to worry about publishing something new, however trite, every day, and b) local papers just don't have the weight or resources themselves these days to do the same.

It's why I tend to get more annoyed at the national football journalists. If you're working for somewhere like the Times, the Guardian, the NYT, etc, you don't really have an excuse not to be ignoring all the by-the-numbers PR bullshit like pre-match press conferences and instead dig into actual stories like labour rights violations, dodgy owners, corruption, etc.
 
In truth, that game was probably the one that saw me turn full anti-Lage. I'd been going that way for a while, not as soon as some on here, but after that game I was fully committed to the desire to see him sacked.
 
I agree, although I also sympathise with local football journalists because it's an industry so heavily controlled in terms of access. Showbiz is similar - there are shedloads of reporters out there who largely exist as the middlemen between the corporate spin and the public, putting out press release and press conference quotes/comments but knowing that if they actually critically commented on or analysed those quotes/comments they'll be cut off entirely. But the actual journalism tends to come from people who work at bigger national or global publications because a) they have the resources to take time digging into a story, and don't have to worry about publishing something new, however trite, every day, and b) local papers just don't have the weight or resources themselves these days to do the same.

It's why I tend to get more annoyed at the national football journalists. If you're working for somewhere like the Times, the Guardian, the NYT, etc, you don't really have an excuse not to be ignoring all the by-the-numbers PR bullshit like pre-match press conferences and instead dig into actual stories like labour rights violations, dodgy owners, corruption, etc.
I agree and can see the line that needs to be walked between access and truth. I guess my issue is someone like Judah or Keen spend hours a week on videos, pieces, podcasts etc talking about the team, what's going wrong, what needs to change, that seems indirectly or directly in bad faith when you know the answer is it's not going to because the players aren't having the manager and haven't for months. That's compounded when they write those pieces as soon as he's gone
 
From those on here much more knowledgeable than me on these things I think it's more that it doesn't look good rather than worsening the injuries.

I don't agree with JP re Sasa, he'd played for Stuttgart less than 2 weeks before and had a full pre season. You could argue whether we should have signed a player with his medical history or whether he should have started after a couple of days training, but I don't see how that applies to his specific injury
There is certainly an argument that Neto shouldn't have been allowed back on as he could've damaged the other structures in his ankle.

Sasa is difficult as we just don't know how match fit he was when he arrived. ACL injuries are not a result of bad condition in the main (there is an argument for knee strengthening for prevention). And we just don't know how strong his knees are.

If he passed the medical then there's not a lot anybody can do about him injuring his knee.

He should never have gone back on the pitch though, that's just rank decision making.
 
They must have decided that getting rid of the larger characters in the dressing room would fix the problem. Coady, Boly, Saiss, Ruddy having a contract offer withdrawn,

Wasn't ever going to work though as we have at least Neves, Moutinho, Jonny, Podence and Raul who are probably less gregarious but felt the same.
That's just bad management. You would think Sellars or Shi would've noticed this.

But as both are completely out of their depth we had no chance.

I don't think we grow as a club until we get rid of Shi and get a proper CEO and DOF in.
 
Any confirmation of Lopetegui being in the UK and meeting the club about the position?

Are we likely to see him or anyone else in the stands at the game today?
 
The owners must have known all this. How did they keep him in post? It's ruined our season.
The two times I’ve seen Guo in his executive box this season he looked to be having a whale of a time.
 
He does, pretty obvious he knows very little about football though.
 
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