Lettuce Liz then Tetchy Rish! and the battle to replace him

[Kenny]

Interest Rates up to 4% from 3.5%

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Fuckers.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I know you seem to hate Labour but I refuse to believe that you actually think that.

They've already talked about 'fiscal discipline' which obviously translates as minimal increases in public spending. We've had austerity now for 13 years and our public services can't take much more. I'm expecting more managed decline but with more competence and less corruption. My only hope is that Starmer is bullshitting like Cameron was in 2010 and that when he's safely in office he'll turn into Tony Benn.

 

[Templeton Peck]

To be honest I’d much prefer that than “We’ll actively fuck the country up while lying to your faces and kicking you in the bollocks at the same time. And you’ll like it”.

Well yes. Not much of a choice though is it?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

But to draw a Wolves parallel, we couldn't go directly from Dean Saunders, Jamie O'Hara, Roger Johnson and relegation to League One to appointing the former Real Madrid and Spain manager who has won the Europa League who gets here and is able to play a full midfield of Portuguese internationals. You have to fix a hell of a load of shit first and that means taking an approach which sorts the fundamentals that have been obviously broken for ages as the immediate priority.

 

[Templeton Peck]

You strike me politically as the type who hate Blair and Starmer more than Thatcher and Johnson

Thatcher set us on the path we've been following now for over 40 years so she'll always be public enemy number one in my book. However, I do feel that the Tories are at least doing what they're supposed to do - help the rich and appease racists. The same can't be said of Labour.

 

[Templeton Peck]

But to draw a Wolves parallel, we couldn't go directly from Dean Saunders, Jamie O'Hara, Roger Johnson and relegation to League One to appointing the former Real Madrid and Spain manager who has won the Europa League who gets here and is able to play a full midfield of Portuguese internationals. You have to fix a hell of a load of shit first and that means taking an approach which sorts the fundamentals that have been obviously broken for ages as the immediate priority.

I'd be delighted if Starmer's Labour fixes the fundamentals.

 

[Del Woppio]

Well they've got to get in first. We all saw the mullering they got with a vaguely socialist manifesto. Once they're in and improving things it'll be an easier sell

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Thatcher set us on the path we've been following now for over 40 years so she'll always be public enemy number one in my book. However, I do feel that the Tories are at least doing what they're supposed to do - help the rich and appease racists. The same can't be said of Labour.

I’m sorry that they don’t tick off your Corbynist utopia. Sadly they sort of want to get elected.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't think you can overestimate the damage these wankers have done. Tories are always aligned completely against how I think the country should function, 2010-2015 was shit and needlessly punitive towards already struggling ordinary people, but 2016 to now is just beyond the pale, on every level.

Just think about the very basic notion of political stability (which is supposed to be the main benefit of our shit FPTP system). Imagine me telling you a decade ago that between July 2019 and October 2022, we would have FOUR different Prime Ministers, all from the same party, and none of them had died or even retired, and we only had one General Election in that time. You'd cart me off to the nice men in white coats.

 

[Boozad]

Well yes. Not much of a choice though is it?

I think "We won't make things any shitter" is a far better choice than "We'll laugh at you while we watch you die" personally.

 

[Keef]

I’d say Starmer is vague on what he’ll do in power because
1. He may not actually manage it.
2. Any ideas that are ok, or involve spending money will either get nicked by the tories, or ripped apart by the media and the country Is stupid enough to believe the media.
It’s not great for labour to be vague on what they’d do, but it’s making the best of a bad situation

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The Corbyn fringe trying to keep Starmer out is a fucking great way to get another 5 years of the current cunts. Think long and hard about that.

 

[prawnking]

The Corbyn fringe trying to keep Starmer out is a fucking great way to get another 5 years of the current cunts. Think long and hard about that.

I hate to generalise, but most fervent Corbynites/hard left types I've ever met seem to be from pretty well off or at least comfortable backgrounds. Who's actually in government isn't really going to affect their standard of living massively.

I've long suspected being puritanical opposition and never having your principles tested in the fires of reality is part of the appeal. It's a bit of a game.

My dad was Labour and a union man because he had no choice

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

That's an interesting point for discussion. From my experience plenty of those that favour Corbyn who were from less well off backgrounds.

 

[Tony Towner]

I wouldn't cast it based on background I'd say the common theme is they are idealists/ideological rather than realists/pragmatists

 

[Templeton Peck]

I’m sorry that they don’t tick off your Corbynist utopia. Sadly they sort of want to get elected.

Yeah they're pretty far from there.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I think "We won't make things any shitter" is a far better choice than "We'll laugh at you while we watch you die" personally.

Yeah man. Party on.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Well they've got to get in first. We all saw the mullering they got with a vaguely socialist manifesto. Once they're in and improving things it'll be an easier sell

And yet they had their best result in years in 2017. The 2nd Brexit referendum was what fucked them in 2019. Starmer is a Brexiteer now. Not daft.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I wouldn't cast it based on background I'd say the common theme is they are idealists/ideological rather than realists/pragmatists

That old chestnut. Starmer refusing to nationalise energy firms is an ideological position. Faith in the market to solve all our problems is an ideological position. Not committing to full employment is an ideological position. Just different ideologies is all.