Keir Starmer at it again..

[Sniffer]

Starmer isn’t particularly endearing himself to me at the moment but I’ve always said I’ll judge him if/when he becomes PM. He needs to spend less time worrying about trying to appeal to Tory voters though.

Most of the public probably agree with the cap, ‘if you can’t afford all those kids then don’t have them’ kind of thing.

In reality who can afford children? If you are judging whether or not £15 a week is a reason to have another child then you need your head examining anyway. At some point those who do say such things as mentioned above will need a plan of who will wipe their arses in old age.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

In reality who can afford children? If you are judging whether or not £15 a week is a reason to have another child then you need your head examining anyway. At some point those who do say such things as mentioned above will need a plan of who will wipe their arses in old age.

I agree with you. I just think that is the mentality of a lot of the country unfortunately.

 

[Del Woppio]

Yeah that's shit. I kind of get the thinking that the economic picture means they can't undo everything straight away, but this is a mistake. It's literally the cheapest way to bring hundreds of thousands of kids out of poverty, and there are plenty of places to raise that money.

I'm still naively hoping that they're coming out with all the economic stability/conservative soundbites as an electability strategy and will actually be more progressive when their feet are under the table

Just thinking more on this - the below is taken from the 1997 manifesto



Now this is long before my days of political engagement, but is that broadly how things played out? A year or two of steadying the ship before going on to actually fund and manage public services properly?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The Tories weren't doing a bad job economically from about 1994 onwards. Holed beneath the surface though by scandal (tame by 2020s standards, thanks Boris), the ERM fiasco, Major's persona (he looks a billion times better in retrospect) and general voter fatigue.

Continuing on the same path made a fair bit of sense.

 

[pr0sl0]

The big splurge on NHS spending in particular didn't really start until after the 2001 election too.

 

[Sniffer]

Just thinking more on this - the below is taken from the 1997 manifesto

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Now this is long before my days of political engagement, but is that broadly how things played out? A year or two of steadying the ship before going on to actually fund and manage public services properly?

Yes it was.

It was a line that the Conservatives had used for years that Labour couldn't be trusted with the economy. Tax bombshell advertising hoardings, the winter of discontent, unemployment figures, the minimum wage would ruin us all. My MP of the time used to drink in my local and he stated to all and sundry that the real benefits of Labour being in office would be further down the line or not until a second term. Cut forward 26 years and a jovial note from Liam Byrne means that the party is still fighting the same battle whilst the Tories have pushed the national debt to almost unprecedented levels but that doesn't seem to get reported on.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Cut forward 26 years and a jovial note from Liam Byrne means that the party is still fighting the same battle whilst the Tories have pushed the national debt to almost unprecedented levels but that doesn't seem to get reported on.

One of their own adverts from 2010:

(Brown's response to the 2008 GFC was later almost universally lauded by those bastard "experts" as excellent and genuinely world-leading, while Cameron immediately plunged us into recession in 2010/11)

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The best thing about that vapid sow having a month and a bit in the big chair is that electoral trust in their economic policy is short to medium term broken. Any economic attack on Labour can be defended with some nice references to madam pork markets and Kamikwazi and all is well.

 

[Sniffer]

One of their own adverts from 2010:

(Brown's response to the 2008 GFC was later almost universally lauded by those bastard "experts" as excellent and genuinely world-leading, while Cameron immediately plunged us into recession in 2010/11)

Yeah he won some sort of world leader award in the states for his reaction to the crisis and getting other governments together in their response to it all.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

He did call that woman a bigot though.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

She was a fucking bigot.

Gordon Brown was (well, is) a good man. PM material, not sure in the modern world, but he deserved better.

 

[Tredman]

I thought people always wanted politicians who say what they think..

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

He did call that woman a bigot though.

How far we’ve fallen since then. Cabinet ministers can give the public the finger nowadays and no one seems to give a shit.

Gordon Brown should have had way longer as PM. I’m a big fan.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The Tory pretence that they're the ones to be trusted with the economy is a laughable one when you look at their record (even going back pre-Thatcher. The three day working week? That was them, not Labour, bet if you surveyed a thousand random people 90% of them would get it wrong) but somehow it persists.

The economic strategy from 2010-2023 incorporating Brexit (a Tory problem, not a national one) has been simply appalling, they haven't got a clue. Osborne probably being the worst of the lot with his philosophy that wouldn't pass muster as an answer in a GCSE Economics exam and the damage that caused. Plastic faced fucking cunt. At least Kwarteng only lasted a month or so, he was the Zenga of their tenure.

Hunt is the most invisible Chancellor I've ever known in my entire life.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

That's true regarding Hunt, they've very much made Sunak the face of everything.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Economic growth will lift children out of poverty apparently. This'll be the trickle down economics he described as 'a piss take' a few months back. Nobhead.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Sir Kid Starver

 

[darlowolf64]

That's true regarding Hunt, they've very much made Sunak the face of everything.

Apart from PMQ's where he is the invisible man and sends Oliver Dowden

 

[Templeton Peck]

Trying to pressure Khan into dropping ULEZ now after Uxbridge. Apparently saves about 500 lives a year but votes are votes after all. I'll say this for him - he's really fucking focussed on winning power.

 

[Johnny75]

Trying to pressure Khan into dropping ULEZ now after Uxbridge. Apparently saves about 500 lives a year but votes are votes after all. I'll say this for him - he's really fucking focussed on winning power.

Or saving the poorest in society money so they don't have to fall into poverty just to get to work.

Khan is hamstrung by government in what he can do for transport and Starmer doesn't have the power to influence national policy on scrappage schemes and public transport directly.

Stop being so bitter.