Keir Starmer at it again..

[Templeton Peck]

Supervised teeth brushing. Amazing.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Supervised teeth brushing. Amazing.

You don't think prevention is better than cure when NHS dental is on its arse and will take years to be recovered?

Coupled with HFSS legislation it's a really positive thing for underprivileged kids who might not have access to a dentist.

The money is being spent in areas with acute shortages of access to NHS dentistry and is supported by the British Society of Paediatric Dentistry.

I'm not surprised you're taking up anti-labour positions with intellectual heavyweights like Brendan Clarke Smith though.

 

[leedswolf]

 

[Templeton Peck]

You don't think prevention is better than cure when NHS dental is on its arse and will take years to be recovered?

Coupled with HFSS legislation it's a really positive thing for underprivileged kids who might not have access to a dentist.

The money is being spent in areas with acute shortages of access to NHS dentistry and is supported by the British Society of Paediatric Dentistry.

I'm not surprised you're taking up anti-labour positions with intellectual heavyweights like Brendan Clarke Smith though.

It's another job for teachers and childcare providers to do. Funding is about 4k per school. Staffing at schools is already stretched after years of under investment. There are huge pressures in primary education and now they have to find time to brush 60 kids teeth everyday?
Schools are always expected cure all societies ills without the funding to do so.

Worried about kids teeth? Free school meals. Free breakfast clubs for those in need. Scrap child benefit limit. Increase sugar tax. Subsidise healthy food. All quick fixes while you start to properly fund NHS dentists.

 

[PuntsWolf]

It's another job for teachers and childcare providers to do. Funding is about 4k per school. Staffing at schools is already stretched after years of under investment. There are huge pressures in primary education and now they have to find time to brush 60 kids teeth everyday?
Schools are always expected cure all societies ills without the funding to do so.

Are we saying we can’t find 2 minutes to get a class to brush their teeth?

Worried about kids teeth? Free school meals. Free breakfast clubs for those in need. Scrap child benefit limit.

I mean, these all seem very expensive compared to the above option! And won’t actually change anything.

Increase sugar tax.

Doubt this has changed anyone shopping habits?

Subsidise healthy food.

How do you even do this? What counts as healthy? Does everyone get it? Again, sounds expensive! And will halving the price of an avocado make any difference…

All quick fixes while you start to properly fund NHS dentists.

You could have a million spaces, still requires parents to take them. But if they aren’t cleaning their teeth at home and eating crap/sugary drinks then it doesn’t matter how many times they go.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Are we saying we can’t find 2 minutes to get a class to brush their teeth?

I mean, these all seem very expensive compared to the above option! And won’t actually change anything.

Doubt this has changed anyone shoooing habits?

How do you even do this? What counts as healthy? Does everyone get it? Again sounds expensive! And will halving the price of an avocado make any difference…

You could have a million spaces, still requires parents to take them. But if they aren’t cleaning their teeth at home and eating crap/sugary drinks then it doesn’t matter how many times they go.

Cost is irrelevant. Even if it wasn't, £111m to UK govt is like £10.99 to me.

I'm interested to know why you think diet wouldn't improve teeth?

Some schools are 4 form entry, many are 2 form. It isn't going to take 2 minutes to clean the teeth of 60/90/120 children.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Cost is irrelevant. Even if it wasn't, £111m to UK govt is like £10.99 to me.

Is this where you say we just need to print more money? “Free school meals. Free breakfast clubs for those in need. Scrap child benefit limit” and “Subsidise healthy food” does not cost £111m and have little benefit anyway.

I'm interested to know why you think diet wouldn't improve teeth?

Diet will improve teeth. But diet in schools already isn’t a problem. It’s what they do outside of school.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I know we spent half an hour of every single day at school in assembly singing hymns and saying prayers, and we weren't even an overtly religious school. You could easily give that time over to something useful.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I know we spent half an hour of every single day at school in assembly singing hymns and saying prayers, and we weren't even an overtly religious school. You could easily give that time over to something useful.

That doesn't happen now (other than religious schools obviously..)

 

[Johnny75]

That doesn't happen now (other than religious schools obviously..)

My kids still do an assembly most mornings at some point and they're not at a religious school.

 

[leedswolf]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the responsibility on the children's parents to educate and supervise their children when it comes to oral hygiene? The suggestion that the responsibility needs to be passed to schools indicates a serious societal malfunction. Forgive me if I've missed the point.

 

[Dire Wolf]

I know we spent half an hour of every single day at school in assembly singing hymns and saying prayers, and we weren't even an overtly religious school. You could easily give that time over to something useful.

Most primary schools don't have an assembly every day now. All the ones I work in have 1 assembly a week, and have done for a number of years.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Is this where you say we just need to print more money? “Free school meals. Free breakfast clubs for those in need. Scrap child benefit limit” and “Subsidise healthy food” does not cost £111m and have little benefit anyway.

Diet will improve teeth. But diet in schools already isn’t a problem. It’s what they do outside of school.

Not quite, but yes - the govt isn't dependent on money. Not sure why you think providing children with healthier food options and more money won't help them.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Most primary schools don't have an assembly every day now. All the ones I work in have 1 assembly a week, and have done for a number of years.

Shush, I am going to pretend school is exactly as it was when I left in 1999 and will not hear any actual evidence-based arguments

(It was a bloody waste of time, if I add all that together over seven years it's scary)

 

[Templeton Peck]

Most primary schools have a daily assembly - it's a legal requirement. Time pressures are huge in primaries and they're all understaffed thanks to austerity. They also usually have about 5 sinks. Supervising 60 children cleaning their teeth is no simple task.

 

[Dire Wolf]

Most primary schools have a daily assembly - it's a legal requirement. Time pressures are huge in primaries and they're all understaffed thanks to austerity. They also usually have about 5 sinks. Supervising 60 children cleaning their teeth is no simple task.

That's not true. Most I know don't have a daily assembly. They may have a short pastoral time within each class during or after registration, but whole school gatherings are pretty uncommon.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Not quite, but yes - the govt isn't dependent on money. Not sure why you think providing children with healthier food options and more money won't help them.

Because they already have healthy food options? It’s the crap they eat and drink outside of school that is the problem.

 

[Johnny75]

Most primary schools have a daily assembly - it's a legal requirement. Time pressures are huge in primaries and they're all understaffed thanks to austerity. They also usually have about 5 sinks. Supervising 60 children cleaning their teeth is no simple task.

That fits my kids' school.

I can see the issue with it but it seems a workable solution for those that are there for breakfast club and pupil premium.

 

[sycophantia]

That's not true. Most I know don't have a daily assembly. They may have a short pastoral time within each class during or after registration, but whole school gatherings are pretty uncommon.

My lads last job in a Shrewsbury primary school had a whole school assembly once a week, with a key stage assembly a different day.
It varies school to school, dont know any that have a whole school assembly every day.

 

[Templeton Peck]

That's not true. Most I know don't have a daily assembly. They may have a short pastoral time within each class during or after registration, but whole school gatherings are pretty uncommon.

It's a legal requirement to have a daily act of collective worship according to the Dfe. It may be that some schools can't be arsed to follow it.