Keir Starmer at it again..

[prawnking]

You know when the Right throw 'woke' around as an insult and refuse to define it, and we all really know what they have a problem with, but they've found a way where they don't have to say it?

The Left have it too, clearly

 

[prawnking]

Please don't tell me you think Waters is anti-semitic?? Fuck me sideways.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/05/...emitism-row-over-singers-concerts-in-germany/



If this doesn't set alarm bells ringing I don't know what will

 

[Johnny75]

https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/05/...emitism-row-over-singers-concerts-in-germany/

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If this doesn't set alarm bells ringing I don't know what will

Fairly sure the former leader of the BNP, Nick Griffin has also gone into bat for Waters

 

[Paul]

I can't believe we're quoting David Duke on any aspects of a football forum

 

[Templeton Peck]

Does anyone in any political party ever get exactly what they want, 100%, from any given leader at any time? I'd probably go into the Blairite box if you wanted to label me but by no stretch did I agree with everything he said and did. Pad was a Thatcherite, bet he wasn't mad keen on the Poll Tax.

Nothing Starmer has done has been as egregious as Corbyn essentially waving Brexit through.

No, they don't. Not sure where anyone on this thread has asked for 'exactly what they want' though.

I was never fully on board with Blair but voted for him as the best of a bad bunch. And then Iraq happened and that was me done.

If only the scary jam man had pressed the magic Stop Brexit button.

 

[prawnking]

I can't believe we're quoting David Duke on any aspects of a football forum

It's the current affairs forum mate

Some strange things from the Left and Right have gone mainstream in the past few years, I don't think we should bury these links

 

[Templeton Peck]

Shocking evasion here. Spoken like a true acolyte of cranks like Galloway, Corbyn and Livingstone. All out of the party now, thankfully

Why can't you just say it?

You answer my question and I'll answer yours.

 

[prawnking]

You answer my question and I'll answer yours.

Which question?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

No, they don't. Not sure where anyone on this thread has asked for 'exactly what they want' though.

I was never fully on board with Blair but voted for him as the best of a bad bunch. And then Iraq happened and that was me done.

If only the scary jam man had pressed the magic Stop Brexit button.

If only he'd done anything.

"Jobs first Brexit" FFS and wanted to invoke A50 immediately. The man's a Brexiteer. Which makes him a fool.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

If only he'd done anything.

"Jobs first Brexit" FFS and wanted to invoke A50 immediately. The man's a Brexiteer. Which makes him a fool.

Kier was responsible for Labour's Brexit policy during that era.

He was literally shadow Brexit minister.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

No he wasn't. Didn't take that role until October 2016. Then he backed a second referendum, which Brexit Jez never wanted.

 

[prawnking]

Kier was responsible for Labour's Brexit policy during that era.

He was literally shadow Brexit minister.

I love how Jezza can simultaneously be the best Labour leader ever, and also never responsible for anything

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

No he wasn't. Didn't take that role until October 2016. Then he backed a second referendum, which Brexit Jez never wanted.

Jez never wanted it because he knew it would have a huge impact on the election, and not in a good way.

Also as recently as 3 weeks ago Starmer said he is behind Brexit and won't attempt to reverse it, and you agreed that was the right thing to do, which is exactly what you are criticising JC for now?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I love how Jezza can simultaneously be the best Labour leader ever, and also never responsible for anything

Who said he was the best Labour leader ever?

Once again you struggle with nuance.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Jez never wanted it because he knew it would have a huge impact on the election, and not in a good way.

Also as recently as 3 weeks ago Starmer said he is behind Brexit and won't attempt to reverse it, and you agreed that was the right thing to do, which is exactly what you are criticising JC for now?

I said it was unrealistic to expect us to rejoin the EU inside the first term of a Labour Government, which it is. The EU wouldn't even say yes for one thing. So pointless to campaign that you will.

We hadn't left the EU in 2016 and everything was still on the table as the referendum wasn't even binding.

 

[prawnking]

Who said he was the best Labour leader ever?

Once again you struggle with nuance.

This is your go-to statement I've noticed, but it doesn't really hold much water when it comes from someone who struggles with actual facts

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Ask yourself why when you, I, pretty much everyone on this forum and a blind cat knows, Brexit was a fucking stupid idea, Jeremy Corbyn never once said that it was a stupid idea.

I would apply Occam's Razor here if I were you.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

It was political suicide to suggest there should be another referendum.

Much as it would be now for Kier to suggest the same thing, I understand exactly why KS has done it, but I do find it amusing how you are behind his strategy, but it contradicts so much of what you have said over the years.

 

[prawnking]

Kier

His name's Keir. Y'know, like Keir Hardie

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

This is your go-to statement I've noticed, but it doesn't really hold much water when it comes from someone who struggles with actual facts

Actual facts?

Earlier today you challenged me members of the 2017 Labour Party working against JC, I gave you plenty of factual evidence that back up that view and you just dismissed it.

If there is anyone that struggles with actual facts it most certainly is you.