Keir Starmer at it again..

[The Saturday Boy]

I think he made a very clear argument this morning about what he means by rejecting the status quo without really outlining what the difference would be other than whatever it is will be based on economic growth.

If he is really, really lucky, he might take power when the global economy takes off. If it doesn't, tinkering around the edges probably won't be enough.

 

[Del Woppio]

 

[prawnking]

Interesting how class is still the one characteristic it's ok to take the piss out of.

Sunak has been just as repetitive in his reminders that his father was a GP

 

[Kenny]

Interesting how class is still the one characteristic it's ok to take the piss out of.

Sunak has been just as repetitive in his reminders that his father was a GP

Heard a rumour about someone close to him being a pharmacist as well

 

[Tredman]

Heck of a smear here:

Starmer's Complicated Love Life

One month after Tony Blair won the 1997 landslide which ushered him and Cherie into Downing Street, across town in Doughty Street Keir Starmer’s personal

order-order.com

 

[Kenny]

No. 56, where Boris was running a regime which became known as the Sextator. Starmer was giving Boris a run for his money next door…

Is there some detail missing in that article other than had long term partner, broke up, found new partner, they eventually broke up?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Ridiculous false equivalence.

Johnson had an affair with a staffer and forced her to have an abortion, can't or won't ever say how many children he actually has, paid some fiveheaded lunatic public money for what were definitely "IT lessons" and not sex, as a pandemic began to grip the country, ran away for a week because he had to sort out another divorce, and due to not being able to keep his chode in his pants is so massively financially compromised that he's in hock to all manner of iffy people all over the world.

Yeah, the same.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Sounds like austerity again, but under Labour this time?

 

[pr0sl0]

Heck of a smear here:

Starmer's Complicated Love Life

One month after Tony Blair won the 1997 landslide which ushered him and Cherie into Downing Street, across town in Doughty Street Keir Starmer’s personal

order-order.com

Man, that's weak sauce.

As they get more desperate I'm expecting Guido (or another of that toxic right-wing media ilk) to let slip who the shadow frontbencher is whose recent affair produced a child, and who then paid the mother off to not put his name as the father on the birth certificate.

 

[Sniffer]

Sounds like austerity again, but under Labour this time?

Not necessarily. There is a black hole in the government finances which will need to be filled and as @The Saturday Boy mentioned, they will need to get lucky and growth in the economy fills the gap. Alternatively there is some wriggle room with a £2.5bn surplus in additional taxes less spending from todays announcements and areas of taxation that could bring in extra revenue that have not been ruled out yet.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Not necessarily. There is a black hole in the government finances which will need to be filled and as @The Saturday Boy mentioned, they will need to get lucky and growth in the economy fills the gap. Alternatively there is some wriggle room with a £2.5bn surplus in additional taxes less spending from todays announcements and areas of taxation that could bring in extra revenue that have not been ruled out yet.

Yeah, 2010's austerity was an ideological misstep because it choked off a very decent recovery under Brown & Darling from the 2007/08 GFC.

We aren't in that position now.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Sounds like austerity again, but under Labour this time?

Yep. He's ruled out austerity but he's also ruled out tax rises and 'borrowing'. I don't really see what wriggle room he has within his own (nonsensical) fiscal rules. Relying heavily on pressing the magic growth button it seems.

 

[Del Woppio]

Interesting how class is still the one characteristic it's ok to take the piss out of.

Sunak has been just as repetitive in his reminders that his father was a GP

I've joked plenty about his repetitive nonsense too. It's not the working class background that makes it mildly amusing

 

[Templeton Peck]

Yeah, 2010's austerity was an ideological misstep because it choked off a very decent recovery under Brown & Darling from the 2007/08 GFC.

We aren't in that position now.

Austerity is never a good idea. Economic illiteracy.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I've joked plenty about his repetitive nonsense too. It's not the working class background that makes it mildly amusing

What was funny the other day was when he got tetchy about it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Austerity is never a good idea. Economic illiteracy.

I don't disagree, just the situation isn't even close to the same.

 

[Del Woppio]

Tony Blair followed the Conservative spending plan for the first couple of years, no?

It's fairly inevitable that CGT will go up. There's headroom in the current spending, and in the manifesto's additional tax and spend. Yes they're not going to be throwing money around willy nilly, but it's ridiculous to think that public services aren't going to get looked after better under Starmer and Reeves than they would if it was Rishi and Hunt

 

[prawnking]

I've joked plenty about his repetitive nonsense too. It's not the working class background that makes it mildly amusing

Oh yeah, I agree he's over-used the line, it was a meme about 12 months ago.

Not really aimed at you, more tossers like Darren Grimes and Galloway pitching in

 

[pr0sl0]

Tony Blair followed the Conservative spending plan for the first couple of years, no?

It's fairly inevitable that CGT will go up. There's headroom in the current spending, and in the manifesto's additional tax and spend. Yes they're not going to be throwing money around willy nilly, but it's ridiculous to think that public services aren't going to get looked after better under Starmer and Reeves than they would if it was Rishi and Hunt

It was only Blair's second term that the spending taps opened, most notably for the NHS - big boost to funding that Brown brought in.

Labour are going to raise CGT, and they're going to recalculate the council tax bands. They're also going to get in and Reeves is going to go "wow the books are worse than we thought, gonna have to raise [insert any number of taxes/removal of loopholes/etc that aren't income tax or VAT]".

On current polling they have every chance of breaking 500 seats, they'll have the leeway to do whatever they want straight away and be able to ride out the repercussions until it dies down by the time of the next election. Worked for Cameron and Osborne with austerity after all.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Cameron and Osborne didn't even have a Parliamentary majority to ram that crap that through, the chinless wonders. Fuck the Lib Dems for enabling that.

Council Tax is the biggest anomaly of all. Not been reviewed in 30 years!