Jeremy Corbyn

[Paddingtonwolf]

Hello?

Any danger of responding?

 

[Kenny]

Stop being so aggressive Kenny, FFS.

Sometimes I am a right bastard on here. Good that folk point it out though....

 

[thehistorymakers]

The simple fact is that the vast majority of those that would be affected positively by a removal of tuition fees for new students from September wouldn't have been old enough to vote in the election.

You could be right, but wouldn't the students who were already studying and are starting a new year have their fees abolished?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Possibly. But by the time it was passed they would have graduated.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Sometimes I am a right bastard on here. Good that folk point it out though....

You might shout a lot, normally with reason, but at least you are usually fair, which is what matters.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Possibly. But by the time it was passed they would have graduated.

First year students wouldn't have benefited?

 

[Sam-Wolf]

The tuition fees point probably was a large vote winner for young people.
But so could have simply being a leader that wasn't in favour of promoting selective education, or some of the other ridiculously unfavorable policies on the table.

 

[thehistorymakers]

The tuition fees point probably was a large vote winner for young people.
But so could have simply being a leader that wasn't in favour of promoting selective education, or some of the other ridiculously unfavorable policies on the table.

I agree with that, but turn on the Norway, Holland womens football match. Sorry I thought I was replying to young wolf.

 

[Derby Wolf]

First year students wouldn't have benefited?

I doubt it,

By this point first year students (plus those starting second and third years) would've had their applications for student finance processed and ready for allocation already. The earliest beneficiaries of any abolition would be those starting in the 18/19 academic year.

My other half was at uni in 2010 when the Coalition came to power, as they put fees up she was finishing second year. She spent 11/12 on Erasmus and when she did her final year in 12/13 she was still on the pre-coalition fees. I suspect the same bedding in period would occur now.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I doubt it,

By this point first year students (plus those starting second and third years) would've had their applications for student finance processed and ready for allocation already. The earliest beneficiaries of any abolition would be those starting in the 18/19 academic year.

My other half was at uni in 2010 when the Coalition came to power, as they put fees up she was finishing second year. She spent 11/12 on Erasmus and when she did her final year in 12/13 she was still on the pre-coalition fees. I suspect the same bedding in period would occur now.

From the link below.

Labour says it will bring forward its pledge to scrap tuition fees to include students starting university in England this autumn if it wins the election.
The party also says students part-way through their courses would not have to pay for the remaining years.
It said the cost was factored into the £9.5bn annual bill for scrapping fees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39994886

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

So as I said most of those benefitting weren't actually old enough to vote.

 

[thehistorymakers]

So as I said most of those benefitting weren't actually old enough to vote.

Minimum age of 17 and no upper age limit? Is that right?

 

[thehistorymakers]

So as I said most of those benefitting weren't actually old enough to vote.

Me and youngwolf have come to an understanding now, Paddy. I would like to drop the subject, but I don't understand your logic here.
If you need to be 17 to start a university course, with the minimum of 3 years, bit could carry on for 4 or more years. Surely anyone who hasn't finished, was going in having their tuition fees abolished, therefore, the majority of people at university, were going to benefit from the scrapping of tuition fees. Is that not right? If not could you explain it to me? Please.

 

[darlowolf64]

Me and youngwolf have come to an understanding now, Paddy. I would like to drop the subject, but I don't understand your logic here.
If you need to be 17 to start a university course, with the minimum of 3 years, bit could carry on for 4 or more years. Surely anyone who hasn't finished, was going in having their tuition fees abolished, therefore, the majority of people at university, were going to benefit from the scrapping of tuition fees. Is that not right? If not could you explain it to me? Please.

No...You must do your A Levels. After your GCSE's you either have to go into 6th Form, start an apprenticeship or go to college. The college you attend is a 6th form college and not a "University".
Those who attend school 6th form first year do their "AS" level and in the 2nd year do their A Levels. After the two years extra at school , aged 18, they can go on to University (which my eldest step-son is doing from September) which is where the fees kick in. His course in English Literature will cost £9,000 per year, plus his costs for living on campus, plus food so it's going to cost me and the wife a bloody packet!

 

[Johnny75]

Not to be too pedantic but you can start a Degree course at any age. You can also get scholarships and there are apprentice degrees available too. Both are at no or partial cost to the student.

 

[thehistorymakers]

No...You must do your A Levels. After your GCSE's you either have to go into 6th Form, start an apprenticeship or go to college. The college you attend is a 6th form college and not a "University".
Those who attend school 6th form first year do their "AS" level and in the 2nd year do their A Levels. After the two years extra at school , aged 18, they can go on to University (which my eldest step-son is doing from September) which is where the fees kick in. His course in English Literature will cost £9,000 per year, plus his costs for living on campus, plus food so it's going to cost me and the wife a bloody packet!

I have been paying an average of £30,000 a year for my kids education for the last 5 years. That doesn't include accommodation. It wouldn't be so bad, but wages are really low for qualified people, when they start work, here.

 

[darlowolf64]

Not to be too pedantic but you can start a Degree course at any age. You can also get scholarships and there are apprentice degrees available too. Both are at no or partial cost to the student.

Well yes but the discussion wasn't about the 1% who have their education funded but the age that the other 99% start University and have to be lumbered with debt. A lad who wants to be an English teacher won't get such special treatment

 

[darlowolf64]

I have been paying an average of £30,000 a year for my kids education for the last 5 years. That doesn't include accommodation. It wouldn't be so bad, but wages are really low for qualified people, when they start work, here.

How many of the forum "older members" went to University without being left with £27,000 debt before they even start work?

 

[Johnny75]

Well yes but the discussion wasn't about the 1% who have their education funded but the age that the other 99% start University and have to be lumbered with debt. A lad who wants to be an English teacher won't get such special treatment

Apologies Darlo, I've got a certain member on the ignore list so haven't been following this too closely (although YW seems to have been put in a box and told what he thinks. Balls to thinking for yourself eh, get somebody who lives thousands of miles away to tell you).

 

[thehistorymakers]

How many of the forum "older members" went to University without being left with £27,000 debt before they even start work?

When I was a lad, it was not the norm to go to university. To get a trade and work, was seen as the thing to do. I think it is a good thing that many more people have the opportunity today and in my opinion it should be free