Jeremy Corbyn

[thehistorymakers]

I imagine the workplace accident and life changing injury it caused has dented the man's usual good spirits. Not to mention he's recently had a few family losses.

Taking all that in to consideration, the people who have talked to him like a piece of shit, should take a good look at themselves and apologise to him. There is no need for the incessant cowardly bullying . Especially knowing Frank's situation. FFS.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Taking all that in to consideration, the people who have talked to him like a piece of shit, should take a good look at themselves and apologise to him. There is no need for the incessant cowardly bullying . Especially knowing Frank's situation. FFS.

No-one is bullying anyone as far as I can see and it's cowardly in itself to hide behind that.

For the record this is why people find it intensely frustrating to discuss anything political with you:

Sorry, but I think most families that had to pay £9000 tuition fees in September this year would have got their kids to register to vote and and could well of changed their own voting intentions and of their kids grandparent's voting intentions, etc. To suggest that the majority of kids, who had never given a fuck about food banks, etc before all of a sudden in record amounts of numbers, including hundreds of thousands on the last day of voting registration, did it because of food banks and being all of a sudden kind hearted citizens, is being quite disingenuous with the truth. You or even you and your mates might be the new mother Theresa, but the £9000 saving in September, is why the vast majority of young new voters, would have voted Labour.

I did say he has, but to suggest that most young people registered to vote because of food banks and not having to pay £9000 in September, is laughable. I agree with abolishing tuition fees and thought it was a brilliant vote winner, but hundreds of thousands of young voters registering on the last day, was highly unlikely to have been because all of a sudden the young care about other people and not the £9000 that would be coming out of their, or their families pockets is highly unbelievable. I

Sorry Paddy, It was young Wolf who said why young people had voted and that £9000 wasn't on "their list priorities". If he had of said just him and the people he knows, then that is fair enough, but he didn't.
It is common sense that hundreds of thousands of new young voters didn't register in the last days before the voting registration closed, because of food banks and social conscious, when it is much more likely it was because that they wouldn't have to pay £9000 in September.

Social media bullying again. They would have to pay £9000 in the future for the year starting in September.

My point is a very valid one. He didn't speak about his mates, but about the young in general. Hundreds of thousands of new young voters in last days of registration, because of a new found social conscious?
That is hilarious.

It was him who decided. Read his post. I said it is laughable that all of a sudden hundreds of people registered because of food banks. It is much more likely it was because of tuition fees and even he said this is what most people think. Do you know why most people think it? It is because it is common sense.

Sorry, but you are speaking about young voters there. You are saying that young voters didn't register because of tuition fees, but because of social conscious. A record number of young voters registered in the last 2 days before the voting register closed. I don't believe that is because of anything else for the vast majority of those new voters, other than not to have to pay tuition fees. Surely otherwise they would have registered before.

Read what he said and don't bother trying to bully me. He said the young, he didn't say the people he knew. I said I agreed he and his friend might not have voted about tuition fees, but a record number of new voters on the last days of registration, would have had more to do with tuition fees than a new found social conscious. Even he says most people think that tuition fees is what most people got the new young voters to come out and vote.

Eight posts there, all from this afternoon and you're just repeating yourself over and over. Often word for word (even when at least one bit has been shown to be untrue). It's exhausting and it's not even a conversation let alone a discussion. This happens all the time.

And I say this as someone who is more receptive to you than most on here.

 

[thehistorymakers]

No-one is bullying anyone as far as I can see and it's cowardly in itself to hide behind that.

For the record this is why people find it intensely frustrating to discuss anything political with you:

















Eight posts there, all from this afternoon and you're just repeating yourself over and over. Often word for word (even when at least one bit has been shown to be untrue). It's exhausting and it's not even a conversation let alone a discussion. This happens all the time.

And I say this as someone who is more receptive to you than most on here.

I said the same thing because the poster said he didn't say it numerous times, even though he did generalise. I won't get defended, even when it's written and in front of certain peoples eyes.I don't expect favours but will stand up for myself.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The subject matter (and even who is right and who is wrong) is irrelevant. If you can't see what the problem is with that style of posting then I can't help you.

I've pointed this out before, I think last time I did there were over 20 instances in an afternoon of you saying the exact same thing over and over. No-one is going to listen to you or be sympathetic to your views if you carry on like that (with a dash of victimhood thrown in).

 

[thehistorymakers]

The subject matter (and even who is right and who is wrong) is irrelevant. If you can't see what the problem is with that style of posting then I can't help you.

I've pointed this out before, I think last time I did there were over 20 instances in an afternoon of you saying the exact same thing over and over. No-one is going to listen to you or be sympathetic to your views if you carry on like that (with a dash of victimhood thrown in).

For the record, He said young people didn't vote about tuition fees. Many political experts disagree. He might not, or his mates might not have voted for that, but to suggest that record numbers of young voters all of a sudden registered in the last few days for other reasons, I believe and so do many political experts, is wrong. Because nobody is going to agree it was wrong, even though it is is a common belief, means I have to end up as always saying the same thing to several posters.in the end, Sam Wolf did say that many did vote because of that, but as always, it will be several on to one. I can take that, but will point it out.

 

[YoungWolf]

Are you serious? How many times have I told you I wasn't generalising? I thought that was what we came to agreement about, seeing as I was annoyed at being generalised about and that is how the discussion began?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

These are people who disagree with the statement you've made (on whatever grounds). That's the reason they've responded to what you've said.

Why then would you think it a good idea to literally repeat yourself? Look at those quotes. They're not far off C&Ps of each other. Those who disagree with you aren't going to agree when you say it in the exact same terms for the second, third, fourth or more times are they? If you don't elaborate on your point, or rephrase it to make it more understandable or cogent, or take the debate down a further tangent...then as I say, it isn't a discussion. And people will give up, and eventually not listen to anything you say whatsoever, and flatly refuse to enter into dialogue with you, because what is the point.

To pick an example, I disagree fundamentally with both Paddy and Premier Quality on many, many political issues. Do you know why I've been debating those issues with both of them for 10+ years though? Because it's worth having that debate, even if the end result is that we agree to disagree.

 

[thehistorymakers]

The subject matter (and even who is right and who is wrong) is irrelevant. If you can't see what the problem is with that style of posting then I can't help you.

I've pointed this out before, I think last time I did there were over 20 instances in an afternoon of you saying the exact same thing over and over. No-one is going to listen to you or be sympathetic to your views if you carry on like that (with a dash of victimhood thrown in).

Dan, I don't get bullied by anyone and I will never be a victim. Someone can try to bully you or moderate you completely unfairly, which is an attempt to bully you, but I won't be bullied. If you can't see that a moderator tries to fuck me over continuously, then you are in a complete minority on this forum. I have the private messages to prove it. However, I am not a victim, as I stand up for what I believe in. I know 7 people personally from this forum, I have never been treated badly by anyone I have met. You will say what you think and understand what you are saying and I know your intentions are right. I will disagree with you about many things, but won't insult you as you won't insult me.

 

[Keef]

Being in the EU was fine for a group of people with interests in staying in, I understand that. The UK has become not such a nice place for millions of working class people, the millions who are actually working in poverty, the many who have to wait weeks to see a GP, the people who can't afford to leave their parents house and get a place of their own. The UK in the EU was not working for many UK citizens. That is why they voted to leave. You can disagree with their reasons, blame it all on British politicians etc, but the majority of people who voted have voted to leave.


We never voted for a certain political party, we voted to leave the EU and gain sovereignty of our own laws and control our own destiny.
I don't hate leavers and can understand why some voted to stay. However I can't understand people who read a newspaper that only gives critical one sided propaganda and then their readers regurgitate the same one-sided propaganda. Not saying you do, but it is happening and doesn't get us anywhere apart from arguing about something that was decided by a fair vote.

I voted remain,mainly for selfish interests of free travel,being able to,if I wanted of being able to work and live in another country,the EU isn't brilliant by any means,lots of Brits moan about it all the time,the stupid rules they appear to have,like straight bananas for an example,but the only way to have a say in how it's run is to be in the club.
I accept we lost,I'm not overjoyed by it,I could see it was going to be a monumental fuck up from day one,but it's happening and I can't do anything about it at all now,so now I'm going to have to get my act together,save a lot harder,live a lot more cheaply,book the flights for me and my bike,and go ride until the money's nearly gone ,and see where I end up,and sort something out,I've got a TEFL qualification(teaching English as a foreign language),I can mend bikes,but if I have to wash dishes in a cafe somewhere I will,I'm aiming not to come back to the UK

 

[Keef]

Are you serious? How many times have I told you I wasn't generalising? I thought that was what we came to agreement about, seeing as I was annoyed at being generalised about and that is how the discussion began?

I wouldn't bother arguing your point mate,THM knows your mind and voting intentions better than you do,he's impervious to criticism,reasoning,other points of view,it's his way or you're wrong

 

[thehistorymakers]

These are people who disagree with the statement you've made (on whatever grounds). That's the reason they've responded to what you've said.

Why then would you think it a good idea to literally repeat yourself? Look at those quotes. They're not far off C&Ps of each other. Those who disagree with you aren't going to agree when you say it in the exact same terms for the second, third, fourth or more times are they? If you don't elaborate on your point, or rephrase it to make it more understandable or cogent, or take the debate down a further tangent...then as I say, it isn't a discussion. And people will give up, and eventually not listen to anything you say whatsoever, and flatly refuse to enter into dialogue with you, because what is the point.

To pick an example, I disagree fundamentally with both Paddy and Premier Quality on many, many political issues. Do you know why I've been debating those issues with both of them for 10+ years though? Because it's worth having that debate, even if the end result is that we agree to disagree.

They are nearly copy and pastes, because they are what he said. I answered him several times and other posters. I pointed out why I said what he said, because I was pulled up by different people.
There was a great example of this on the referendum forum. A certain poster, took half of a sentence and said I was blaming the EU for something. I had quite clearly put who I blamed, the Tory and Labour government, in the second half of the sentence. It was not possible to miss who I blamed. It was only possible to make a long stupid debate about this, because of missing the second and important part of the sentence out. It was complete trolling. Every single usual poster and the usual moderator, argued against me. It was there in writing, the people I were blaming were in the second part of the sentence. I had to repeat over and over again, because instead of, well to tell you the truth, Thm, did blame the Tory and Labour and not the EU. No, of course not. That happens time after time and is a clear attempt at internet bullying. Just one decent person could have stopped it. Do you know why they don't, because it is their entertainment. I know that, but I would be a victim, if I allowed them to stop me saying what was the obvious truth, but I am not a victim and never will be.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I wouldn't bother arguing your point mate,THM knows your mind and voting intentions better than you do,he's impervious to criticism,reasoning,other points of view,it's his way or you're wrong

I have said there are some good things with the EU, I have apologised many times on this forum when I am wrong. More than half the country agreed with me on Brexit, where I am vastly outnumbered here. It doesn't mean I am wrong, it means I am outnumbered. Sometimes I am wrong and do listen to advice. What I don't do, is try fit in with a clique, or hide from sticking up for myself. I don't attempt to gang up on one person, if I see he is on his own. I stick to my convictions and don't hide.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I voted remain,mainly for selfish interests of free travel,being able to,if I wanted of being able to work and live in another country,the EU isn't brilliant by any means,lots of Brits moan about it all the time,the stupid rules they appear to have,like straight bananas for an example,but the only way to have a say in how it's run is to be in the club.
I accept we lost,I'm not overjoyed by it,I could see it was going to be a monumental $#@! up from day one,but it's happening and I can't do anything about it at all now,so now I'm going to have to get my act together,save a lot harder,live a lot more cheaply,book the flights for me and my bike,and go ride until the money's nearly gone ,and see where I end up,and sort something out,I've got a TEFL qualification(teaching English as a foreign language),I can mend bikes,but if I have to wash dishes in a cafe somewhere I will,I'm aiming not to come back to the UK

If you are young, I wouldn't bother coming to Spain, there is over 60% youth unemployment in many cities, but good luck anyway.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

They are nearly copy and pastes, because they are what he said. I answered him several times and other posters. I pointed out why I said what he said, because I was pulled up by different people.
There was a great example of this on the referendum forum. A certain poster, took half of a sentence and said I was blaming the EU for something. I had quite clearly put who I blamed, the Tory and Labour government, in the second half of the sentence. It was not possible to miss who I blamed. It was only possible to make a long stupid debate about this, because of missing the second and important part of the sentence out. It was complete trolling. Every single usual poster and the usual moderator, argued against me. It was there in writing, the people I were blaming were in the second part of the sentence. I had to repeat over and over again, because instead of, well to tell you the truth, Thm, did blame the Tory and Labour and not the EU. No, of course not. That happens time after time and is a clear attempt at internet bullying. Just one decent person could have stopped it. Do you know why they don't, because it is their entertainment. I know that, but I would be a victim, if I allowed them to stop me saying what was the obvious truth, but I am not a victim and never will be.

Please don't misrepresent me or what I posted. I explained myself coherently on that thread, you chose to take it the way you did. I was not bullying you and ask that you explicitly retract that allegation or any inference of such behaviour from me.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Please don't misrepresent me or what I posted. I explained myself coherently on that thread, you chose to take it the way you did. I was not bullying you and ask that you explicitly retract that allegation or any inference of such behaviour from me.

You caused the argument by only putting half my sentence and missing the other half of the sentence that clearly laid the blame on the Tory and Labour governments. You missed the important part of the sentence, to twist what I said. You were not bullying, you were being manipulative and causing an argument out of nothing, knowing you would be backed up on here.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

You caused the argument by only putting half my sentence and missing the other half of the sentence that clearly laid the blame on the Tory and Labour governments. You missed the important part of the sentence, to twist what I said. You were not bullying, you were being manipulative and causing an argument out of nothing, knowing you would be backed up on here.

Thank you for retracting your lie.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Thank you for retracting your lie.

Simple yes or no answer.

Did you miss out the second part of my sentence, which said the Tory and Labour government were responsible?

If you can manage to accept that you did, do you agree that your suggestion that I was blaming the EU, would have not stood up, because in the second part of my sentence, I said who were to blame.

There would have been no argument, no one-sided moderating, because there was nothing there, if you had put the whole sentence, which clearly told you who I thought was responsible.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Simple yes or no answer.

Did you miss out the second part of my sentence, which said the Tory and Labour government were responsible?

If you can manage to accept that you did, do you agree that your suggestion that I was blaming the EU, would have not stood up, because in the second part of my sentence, I said who were to blame.

There would have been no argument, no one-sided moderating, because there was nothing there, if you had put the whole sentence, which clearly told you who I thought was responsible.

Again, I would just like you to thank you for retracting your lie. I have nothing further to add in relation to something I consider to have been exhausted on a previous thread.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Again, I would just like you to thank you for retracting your lie. I have nothing further to add in relation to something I consider to have been exhausted on a previous thread.

I would like to thank you for answering the question and agree there is nothing else to say about the subject.

 

[visage]

Dont make me close another thread because of your behaviour, THM.