Jeremy Corbyn

[YoungWolf]

Again, I have given the perspective on my personal view, and my friends and lots of students which I have discussed the issue with. There were different wide-ranging views but never really just a single one. In fact the main one was probably Corbyn himself as a person and what he stands for, which I am surprised you do not see.

Do I know how and why young people voted? No I do not. Am I giving my opinion on how I feel about it, as I'm quite offended I'm being told I did so because of tuition fees (this is a wider issue not confined to today's discussion), yes. Is THM generalising on a whole, yes he is.

 

[thehistorymakers]

From the link below.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s pledge to abolish university tuition fees was seen as having been key to encouraging a strong turnout among 18- to 24-year-old voters, estimated to have been as high as 72 per cent.

Student votes were seen as having been key to Labour victories in seats such as Canterbury, which was prised from Tory control for the first time since 1918, and Sheffield Hallam, where former Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg – who, as deputy prime minister, reneged on a pledge not to increase tuition fees – was defeated.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/general-election-2017-tuition-fee-pledge-key-labour-surges

 

[YoungWolf]

I have posted the part where you claim to talk for young voters, 3 times now.

No, you haven't. You have posted where I talked about me and my friends views, our was used to describe OUR view.

Jesus this is boring now.

Now all we need is for Frank to say that Labour are going back on a promise and we are complete.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s pledge to abolish university tuition fees was seen as having been key to encouraging a strong turnout among 18- to 24-year-old voters, estimated to have been as high as 72 per cent.

Student votes were seen as having been key to Labour victories in seats such as Canterbury, which was prised from Tory control for the first time since 1918, and Sheffield Hallam, where former Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg – who, as deputy prime minister, reneged on a pledge not to increase tuition fees – was defeated.

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[YoungWolf]

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s pledge to abolish university tuition fees was seen as having been key to encouraging a strong turnout among 18- to 24-year-old voters, estimated to have been as high as 72 per cent.

Student votes were seen as having been key to Labour victories in seats such as Canterbury, which was prised from Tory control for the first time since 1918, and Sheffield Hallam, where former Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg – who, as deputy prime minister, reneged on a pledge not to increase tuition fees – was defeated.

I haven't said it wasn't key, but it also isn't the ONLY reason young people voted for him, or voted at all (as some will have voted Tory). That is my point.

 

[Kenny]

I think that Penks post was about the shadow chancellors comments. And all those students who came out and voted Corbyn on the back of his claiming he would wipe out student debt would be left very disappointed.

Think you 're confused on this matter.

Ending tuition fees - a policy pledge
Looking at removing existing Student debt - an idea being looked at.

The 2 issues are not the same thing. The statement this morning does not change the existing pledge one bit.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Again, I have given the perspective on my personal view, and my friends and lots of students which I have discussed the issue with. There were different wide-ranging views but never really just a single one. In fact the main one was probably Corbyn himself as a person and what he stands for, which I am surprised you do not see.

Do I know how and why young people voted? No I do not. Am I giving my opinion on how I feel about it, as I'm quite offended I'm being told I did so because of tuition fees (this is a wider issue not confined to today's discussion), yes. Is THM generalising on a whole, yes he is.

I have always been a Corbyn supporter and have always agree with abolishing tuition fees. I don't agree with your presumption that is wasn't tuition fees, but social conscious that got the young to come out and register in record numbers to register, in the last few days to register.

 

[YoungWolf]

Sigh. Do I keep going?

I have never said that social conscious was the sole reason that got the young to register in record numbers. You put those words in my mouth.

I'm going to say this one last time and then I am giving up because I have so many better things to do than this. It's depressing. ME AND MY (STUDENT) FRIENDS FOUND IT OFFENSIVE AT BEING TOLD WE HAD VOTED JUST FOR TUITION FEES WHEN WE (ME AND MY FRIENDS) CONSIDER OTHER ISSUES MORE IMPORTANT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

Have a good evening.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I haven't said it wasn't key, but it also isn't the ONLY reason young people voted for him, or voted at all (as some will have voted Tory). That is my point.

Ok, that is fine. It came across in your first post that you were suggesting it. If you aren't, that is fine. Of course there were other reasons and will be genuine social reasons, but many reasons will be to do with people's own interests. That is logical and true with people of different ages.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Paddy and YoungWolf shouting, Kenny having a go at me as per usual. This place has changed a lot recently.

I will leave you all to agree with yourselves. God forbid if anyone dares to have a different point of view to the forum line.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Oh behave

 

[Stan Hullis]

Think you 're confused on this matter.

Ending tuition fees - a policy pledge
Looking at removing existing Student debt - an idea being looked at.

The 2 issues are not the same thing. The statement this morning does not change the existing pledge one bit.

Stop being so aggressive Kenny, FFS.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The simple fact is that the vast majority of those that would be affected positively by a removal of tuition fees for new students from September wouldn't have been old enough to vote in the election.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Sigh. Do I keep going?

I have never said that social conscious was the sole reason that got the young to register in record numbers. You put those words in my mouth.

I'm going to say this one last time and then I am giving up because I have so many better things to do than this. It's depressing. ME AND MY (STUDENT) FRIENDS FOUND IT OFFENSIVE AT BEING TOLD WE HAD VOTED JUST FOR TUITION FEES WHEN WE (ME AND MY FRIENDS) CONSIDER OTHER ISSUES MORE IMPORTANT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

Have a good evening.

we all agreed we found it quite offensive that people thoughts young voters had turned out because of the scrapping of fees that Corbyn and Labour had proposed.

A bit different.

I will thanks and you.

 

[YoungWolf]

Ok, that is fine. It came across in your first post that you were suggesting it. If you aren't, that is fine. Of course there were other reasons and will be genuine social reasons, but many reasons will be to do with people's own interests. That is logical and true with people of different ages.

Thank god, there we go. I'm glad we have come to an understanding there. It was hurting my head.

It's the generalisation that young people that bothers me. I care just as much as other generations about the future of the country and the wider issues we have.

Kenny though, how aggressive can you be? Unbelievable behaviour. Ban him now.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Stop being so aggressive Kenny, FFS.

Hahaha hahaha

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Again pure supposition.

Respond to my post. THEY WEREN'T OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE.

 

[Kenny]

Paddy and YoungWolf shouting, Kenny having a go at me as per usual. This place has changed a lot recently.

I will leave you all to agree with yourselves. God forbid if anyone dares to have a different point of view to the forum line.

Eh? I wasn't having a go at you at all. If you think someone pointing out you may have confused an issue then I won't bother posting in reply again. Let you wallow in your own self pity from now on (that bit IS having a go at you because you invited it)

 

[thehistorymakers]

Thank god, there we go. I'm glad we have come to an understanding there. It was hurting my head.

It's the generalisation that young people that bothers me. I care just as much as other generations about the future of the country and the wider issues we have.

Kenny though, how aggressive can you be? Unbelievable behaviour. Ban him now.

It was obvious that you and your mates think like that from your first post and I did say that in my first reply.

I am watching Holland against Norway women"s football now. Sorry, but there are priorities in life. Haha

 

[YoungWolf]

If there is one person who is changed dramatically in their attitude we all know who it is anyway. Almost as if someone has taken over their account...