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Jeremy Corbyn

just as an aside may I repeat my call for a return to the SDP? Let those MPs from all parties who want to break away come in to a Bexit accepting SDP with leanings that appeal to the centre right of the labour party, the moderate UKIP and the sceptic tories. Get 20 or 30 to defect and all of a sudden they hold the balance of power, Unite them under a leader such as Dr David Owen ( bexit campaigner and former SDP leader) with a ready made deputy that comes from Labour/ Libs/ Ukip. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK,_1990–present)

That would really put the cat amongst the pigeons as the party appeals to both eurosceptics and those wanting effective social and public policy. Hardly a manifesto and much work to do on their image but in times of need. I would love Dr Owen as prime minister although at 77 he may have had his day. http://www.socialdemocraticparty.co.uk/sdpprinciples.html
 
Rumours starting to grow that Corbyn is about to resign.
 
Corbyn is damned if he resigns & equally so if he doesn't.

Stays - is automatically on the ballot paper & the rank & file will be likely to re elect him. PLP still anti so back to square one

Goes - rank & file pissed off with the PLP which drags labour support/votes well down if (as is possible) a snap GE is called
 
darlowolf64 said:
Yep, mess is the right word and it seems the Labour party's schoolboys have not learnt from previous in fighting that the damage is only caused to the Party...They need to take a long, hard look at themselves and decide if they want to represent the members who elect them or their own agendas
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Is the issue his politics or that he is not a very good politician? As in I don't think he has come across very well since becoming leader and even before Brexit seemed to struggle to get his message across.

Is there anyone in the Labour Party who has his politics but would be better at appealing to the masses?
 
Donegal Wolf said:
Is the issue his politics or that he is not a very good politician? As in I don't think he has come across very well since becoming leader and even before Brexit seemed to struggle to get his message across.

Is there anyone in the Labour Party who has his politics but would be better at appealing to the masses?
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not something i know much about but corbyn comes across to me as an MP of protest. nothing wrong with that but leading a party needs to cover the broader scope of party support which my guess would be he may not have recognised, hence the division amongst his MPs.

having said that, it seems bizarre to me that you'd go through all of this strife and potential alienation of your core support simply to replace him with angela eagle.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Of course there isn't. However, Sinn Fein are chancing their arm as part of this dog's breakfast. Absolutely no chance it could ever happen. Too much invested in the Good Friday agreement for a start.
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Agreed not a hope at the moment and as the Leader of the other nationalist party the SDLP said no point in calling a referendum unless you are sure you can win it. Good Friday Agreement does reference the EU in it so fuck knows how that will work now.

But big changes coming in Northern Ireland,
the economy is weak, it main industries are the Civil Service and Agriculture, and 82% of Farmers Income is from the EU, people have spoken elsewhere about the chance of the fuckwits in London replacing EU money to the outskirts elsewhere so unless the DUP can hold the balance in a hung parliament it will be way way down the list.
the border wherever it will come in will fuck things up for trade movement
the unionists are likely to start to feel well dis-enfranchised, they are big supporters of the Union and have close links to Scotland as well, if they see it splitting and their mates fucking off you dont know how that will affect them. Along with that, you have Ian Paisley Jnr telling Unionists to get Irish Passports, talk of the border actually being between NI and the Mainland rather then in Ireland, and people descending into poverty if England cant/wont subsidise it.

Its hard to know what will happen, no doubt guns will be involved at some point (yep there they were worrying about terrorists coming in, now they will probably have woken their own sleeping dogs).
I still wouldnt think it would lead to a United Ireland but I could see NI going into some sort of "halfway house" state between the UK and EU.
 
Donegal Wolf said:
Is the issue his politics or that he is not a very good politician? As in I don't think he has come across very well since becoming leader and even before Brexit seemed to struggle to get his message across.

Is there anyone in the Labour Party who has his politics but would be better at appealing to the masses?
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I think he had started to get himself over pretty well. He had started to get PMQs away from the stupid, childish "Dave hour" and his politics speak to the Labour voter. Unfortunately they don't speak to the majority of Labour MP's who are mostly "followers" on from the Blair blueprint and look down on him as "old fashioned" when he really isn't.
Is there a handy, trendy, replacement? Not sure. Will I be pissed off if the PLP get their way and force a resignation? Too fucking right I will be! Will I vote for him again if he's forced into a leadership election? Yes
I think, if Corbyn is re-elected, the Constituencies need to pull these fuckers in and tell them "we can always find someone who will support the elected leader so support or go!"
 
The Labour Party that represents the Trades Unions and such like does exist but it's not what sits in opposition at the commons.

Suspect there are far too many career politicians who are happy to get the pay and pension despite not actually representing the values of the Labour Party.

I'm far more left than right but the 'left' have an almost obsessive compulsion to promote labels and socially engineer. People like Owen Jones. They like 'open door' immigration and this doesn't necessarily fit with the people they are trying to connect with. They also like spending other peoples money ...
 
Papper said:
The Labour Party that represents the Trades Unions and such like does exist but it's not what sits in opposition at the commons.

Suspect there are far too many career politicians who are happy to get the pay and pension despite not actually representing the values of the Labour Party.

I'm far more left than right but the 'left' have an almost obsessive compulsion to promote labels and socially engineer. People like Owen Jones. They like 'open door' immigration and this doesn't necessarily fit with the people they are trying to connect with. They also like spending other peoples money ...
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A left libertarian perhaps....
 
Donegal Wolf said:
Is the issue his politics or that he is not a very good politician? As in I don't think he has come across very well since becoming leader and even before Brexit seemed to struggle to get his message across.

Is there anyone in the Labour Party who has his politics but would be better at appealing to the masses?
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He appears to be an honorable man. He is an unusual breed with politicians. He can't bring himself to bull shit.that is why he was so luke warmer brexit imo.
I amnot in agreement with his politics but itdoesgive clear water between him and the Tories. However I fear the snp in Scotland has killed labour chances of being elected under corbyn
 
Papper said:
The Con or Lab incumbent .. ????

Corbyn is a threat to the establishment. I like him and want him to stay. How about you ?
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I was suggesting that you were a left libertarian. I am left wing and I don't agree with much of what you post so I struggle to consider you remotely left in the socialist sense.

I voted for Corbyn last year and would do so again if I remained a member of the Labour Party.
 
Johnny75 said:
Yeah, $#@! the Jews people should be able to abuse them how they like.

Mr Wadsworth your new champion now you anti-Semitic lowlife?
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I'm not ant-Semitic Johnny and neither is Corbyn.

This is what Corbyn said "Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu Government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations."

If a Jewish state was created why shouldn't an Islamic State be created ??

I think we all recognise the vile actions of the Zionists in Palestine/Gaza and IS in Syria, Iraq etc ??
 
The Saturday Boy said:
I was suggesting that you were a left libertarian. I am left wing and I don't agree with much of what you post so I struggle to consider you remotely left in the socialist sense.

I voted for Corbyn last year and would do so again if I remained a member of the Labour Party.
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Oh and thanks for this. Got me thinking about a few things ..

But what is the difference between a Left Libertarian and a Socialist ???
 
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