Jeremy Corbyn

[The Saturday Boy]

I read their manifesto and the policies were varied (some of which I quite liked).

The moot point being as to whether the purples are reflecting on what earned UKIP quite a few votes.

I do hear what you are saying but it would be wrong for Lab/Con to make mass assumptions and sweep UKIP to the side as irrelevant.

I agree with some of their policies and disagree with many but without Europe they are nothing other than a rag bag of populist policies that don't make sense when cobbled together. There are two issues that bind UKIP activists together, Europe mainly and migration to a lesser extent. The EU referendum kills them on europe no matter what the result. Post the referendum the party will rip itself apart without a common aim to unify them.

Their electoral high point was 2014 which saw them elect a host of local councillors and MEPs - most of their councillors will lose the next time they are up for election and many of their MEPs could go the same way although could be saved by the voting system (unless we leave the EU). I also think that the Lib Dems will re-emerge from their 2015 hammering to reclaim their traditional role as the third party...not under their current leader though.

 

[Tony Towner]

My constituency which is Derby North is now the biggest marginal in the country due to Labour voters going to UKIP

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I agree with some of their policies and disagree with many but without Europe they are nothing other than a rag bag of populist policies that don't make sense when cobbled together. There are two issues that bind UKIP activists together, Europe mainly and migration to a lesser extent. The EU referendum kills them on europe no matter what the result. Post the referendum the party will rip itself apart without a common aim to unify them.

Their electoral high point was 2014 which saw them elect a host of local councillors and MEPs - most of their councillors will lose the next time they are up for election and many of their MEPs could go the same way although could be saved by the voting system (unless we leave the EU). I also think that the Lib Dems will re-emerge from their 2015 hammering to reclaim their traditional role as the third party...not under their current leader though.

The issue is where ukip voters go? Do they morph into a right wing Tory alternative or do they go Tory? I like Corbyn as a person I just don't do his views so can't vote labour. I can't bring myself to vote Tory either. I hope that Ukip will morph into Tory light making them acceptable for me to vote for post referendum.

 

[Lord Knows]

Labour's alternative fiscal policy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...y-that-betters-george-osborne-s-a6923801.html

 

[The Saturday Boy]

The issue is where ukip voters go? Do they morph into a right wing Tory alternative or do they go Tory? I like Corbyn as a person I just don't do his views so can't vote labour. I can't bring myself to vote Tory either. I hope that Ukip will morph into Tory light making them acceptable for me to vote for post referendum.

If UKIP morph into Tory light who will fund them? The backers of UKIP tend to be those who think that the current Tory party is too centrist, most of those at the top of the party are ex Tory members or supporters who left the Tory party for the same reasons. If you want a Tory light party, the Lib Dems are still pretty much right of centre so would seem to be the obvious alternative. What is it about UKIP now that makes them unacceptable to vote for?

 

[Papper]

Labour's alternative fiscal policy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...y-that-betters-george-osborne-s-a6923801.html

I'd wait and see what the situation is like prior to the next election. Suspect we'll be bashed for the next two/three years and then the Cons will loosen off and make it look all beautiful. More cuts in next weeks budget. I can't see any economic revival and more importantly no vision in redistributing the wealth from the 10%.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Muslim women 'stopped from becoming Labour councillors' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35504185

A Muslim women's group has written to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn claiming women have been stopped from becoming councillors by Muslim men in the party.

Muslim Women's Network UK demanded an inquiry into "systematic misogyny displayed by significant numbers of Muslim male local councillors".

"They don't like women to be heard, to be empowered," it told BBC Newsnight.

Labour said it had the best record of any of the parties in selecting female and ethnic minority candidates.

As Mr Corbyn prepared to speak to the Association of Labour Councillors on Saturday, BBC Newsnight spoke to about a dozen Muslim women up and down the country.

'Smear campaign'

They appeared to point to a pattern of obstruction from within Labour Muslim ranks and back upMuslim Women's Network UK's complaints of sabotage.

Optician Fozia Parveen claims her efforts to become a Labour councillor in Birmingham in 2008 were scuppered by men within the party.

She said: "At the time, I was aware of a smear campaign against me.

"They said that I was having an affair with one of the existing councillors.

"I was quite taken aback. People were turning up at my family home trying to intimidate my mum."

 

[thehistorymakers]

Former shadow cabinet ministers call for suppressed investigation to be published as Party is accused of failing to take issue seriously

The Labour anti-Semitism row threatens to divide the Party as two former shadow cabinet ministers accuse officials of failing to take the issue seriously.

It comes as insiders claim that Jeremy Corbyn is trying to “bury" the Party’s problem with anti-Semitism after refusing to publish the original investigation into harassment of Jewish students at Oxford University, then subsuming it within a new, wider inquiry that involves unrelated complaints.

Michael Dugher MP and Rachel Reeves MP, both of whom held shadow cabinet roles under Ed Miliband, called for the initial report by Labour Students to be published immediately.

Meanwhile, Joan Ryan MP, Chair of Labour Friends of Israel,has written to Labour General Secretary Iain McNicolto express her “deep concern" about the new inquiry, chaired by Baroness Jan Royall.

She said it is “highly inappropriate” for the new investigation to be “rolled together” with other issues surrounding the Labour Youth elections which took place last weekend in Scarborough.

Two distinct investigations must be set up to “provide a degree of reassurance that allegations of anti-Semitism are being treated with the seriousness that they deserve”, she added.

•Momentum activists blamed for rise of anti-semitism at Oxford Labour Club, a senior source has claimed

Two Momentum activists - Max Shanly, 25, and James Elliott, 22, -are both understood to be the subject of allegations in the original Labour Students report. Both vigorously deny the claims.

The Party’s decision to launch a new investigation while failing to publish the initial report,led to claims that it was a “cover-up” and an attempt by Mr Corbyn to protect his favoured candidates at the Labour Youth Elections last weekend.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...mitism-row-threatens-to-divide-the-Party.html

 

[Papper]

Corbyn has his opinions on Palestine and Gaza but does that make him Anti-Semitic?

https://electronicintifada.net/blog...end-jeremy-corbyn-tells-labour-friends-israel

 

[Tredman]

Is being anti-Israel the same as being an anti-semite? I'm not sure it is.

 

[Papper]

Is being anti-Israel the same as being an anti-semite? I'm not sure it is.

In terms of continued expansion and opposition how should we compare the creation of an Islamic state with that of the creation of the state of Israel?

 

[nimrod]

Is being anti-Israel the same as being an anti-semite? I'm not sure it is.

two separate things. there are jews who are anti-Zionists.

 

[Dublin Drummer Wolf]

Is being anti-Israel the same as being an anti-semite? I'm not sure it is.

Hopefully not. I cannot stand Israel but I have no issues with Jews in General, just the warmongering bastards controlling their homeland.

 

[Tredman]

Hopefully not. I cannot stand Israel but I have no issues with Jews in General, just the warmongering bastards controlling their homeland.

That's harsh. The vast majority of people i met when I was there were really disconnected from the whole settler camp and ideology. Israel is there to stay, whatever people think - finding a border people can live with is the most important thing.

Haifa felt like a really great multi-cultural city, other parts of the country really seemed very fucked up.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

If UKIP morph into Tory light who will fund them? The backers of UKIP tend to be those who think that the current Tory party is too centrist, most of those at the top of the party are ex Tory members or supporters who left the Tory party for the same reasons. If you want a Tory light party, the Lib Dems are still pretty much right of centre so would seem to be the obvious alternative. What is it about UKIP now that makes them unacceptable to vote for?

Nothing but post referendum I agree that they are on a hiding to nothing if we vote in and will need to re-focus if we vote out. Lib Dem is a bit bit too wishy washy for me .

 

[Papper]

Hopefully not. I cannot stand Israel but I have no issues with Jews in General, just the warmongering bastards controlling their homeland.

The problem arises when the Labour Party calls to question their own members as potentially racist/anti-semitic for being critical of Israel.

 

[lemonjelly]

Mr Corbyn told the BBC Mr Osborne should be "considering his position".
"His Budget simply doesn't add up and it unravelled within hours of him presenting it. This isn't the first time a George Osborne Budget has unravelled," the Labour leader told BBC1's Breakfast programme.
"It seems to me we need to look at the very heart of this government, at its incompetence, at the way it puts forward proposals that simply don't add up and expects the most needy in our society to take the hit for them."

Is Corbyn moving to the offensive?

 

[Premier Quality]

If he is LJ, he's not doing it very well - takes something for the guardian to be this scathing...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...king-compassionate-conservatism-politics-live

And Cameron was helped by Corbyn. It is easy to assume that, with a government in crisis, all the leader of the opposition to flatten the prime minister is turn up with a pithy soundbite. It is never that easy, not least because the prime minister has the final say. But Corbyn’s attack was broadbrush and ineffective, and he did not challenge Cameron about the specifics of the charges levelled by his former colleague. We’re now in the extraordinary position where the government has been condemned as too rightwing by Iain Duncan Smith. A better parliamentarian would have made some headway with that.

 

[So Long Architect]

If he is LJ, he's not doing it very well - takes something for the guardian to be this scathing...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...king-compassionate-conservatism-politics-live

And Cameron was helped by Corbyn. It is easy to assume that, with a government in crisis, all the leader of the opposition to flatten the prime minister is turn up with a pithy soundbite. It is never that easy, not least because the prime minister has the final say. But Corbyn’s attack was broadbrush and ineffective, and he did not challenge Cameron about the specifics of the charges levelled by his former colleague. We’re now in the extraordinary position where the government has been condemned as too rightwing by Iain Duncan Smith. A better parliamentarian would have made some headway with that.

You obviously don't read the Guardian much. Their commentary has been almost entirely anti-Corbyn since he got made leader. Not to say they're wrong on this occasion, but they're anything but cheerleaders.

 

[ROVERT47]

I think Corbyn is missing an open goal tap in at the moment, he hasn't even mentioned Duncan-Smith, hopefully he'll redeem himself in prime ministers questions.