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Israel-Palestine

AndyWolves said:
People would find other excuses to be really shitty to each other if religion wasn't a thing.
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It'd be one less form of tribalism, and there'd be less gay people persecuted in Africa because of some warped reading of 'the word of God'

People would have to be responsible for their behaviour rather than putting it down to a holy book
 
prawnking said:
It'd be one less form of tribalism, and there'd be less gay people persecuted in Africa because of some warped reading of 'the word of God'

People would have to be responsible for their behaviour rather than putting it down to a holy book
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I do think your heart is in the right place but:
  1. We live in fairly secular nations, relatively speaking (you moreso than me); people have not suddenly become more personally responsible
  2. Religion brings out good in people as well as bad
  3. I don't believe that you can separate the human experience from religious thought, full stop
My understanding of human psychology and sociology tells me that religion is a convenient excuse to do violence, but rarely is it the cause. Men and women who do violence are more often seeking power in this life, not the next, IMV.

A note on your previous post, as well; I think political conviction and religious conviction are perhaps not so psychologically different as you suggest. People, by and large, stick to their guns regardless of any evidence to the contrary. This applies across most patterns of thought, not just religious ones.

We are a species that attempts to define "rational" as one concrete thing; very black and white. The unfortunate, complicated truth is that things are simply never as clear as "I did a thing that makes sense to everyone or makes sense to no one".
 
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Anyway, I'll wind it in. I don't know why I can't help myself when this topic comes up.

I blame my parents.
 
Spreading lies during an armed conflict is really about building consent for yet more violence.

It should be journalism of the most basic level to carefully check claims before amplifying them.
 
Del Woppio said:
Oh yeah absolutely, it's fucking disgusting. But they didn't need to lie about the circumstances in order the get the West any 'more' disgusted. Whether it's a bomb, a bullet or a blade, killing a baby is as horrible and heartbreaking as it getsaq
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Twitter is a fucking cesspool of misinformation and sick gloating about this whole sorry, horrific affair, but there have been confirmations in recent hours by The Jerusalem Post and also eyewitness confirmations by volunteer members of the recovery teams around Israel (one of them, Yossi Landau, was interviewed by CBS).

Israel isn't the only regime to have a history of bullshitting, and I think people waiting gleefully for this to be debunked are missing the point, and tbh probably need some reflection on their reaction. Some of the comments and viewpoints online are astoundingly inhuman, but I'm not about to search for pics of atrocities to win an argument with anyone.

As someone without a direct or indirect stake, like most of us, I think the best approach is to keep some balance (neither side are whiter than white) and stress/hope for peace and de-escalation, however unlikely that is.
 
Templeton Peck said:
Spreading lies during an armed conflict is really about building consent for yet more violence.

It should be journalism of the most basic level to carefully check claims before amplifying them.
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If you don't trust Israel and their sources and media and allies anyway, how would you trust anyone's confirmation if they were linked to Israel even if they gave it?

You're hardly impartial in this, are you?
 
Politics and religion... We'll all end up hating each others guts in a few months!
 
A quote that can fit multiple perspectives, I think. A great one, though.
 
To complete the passage - "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness".
 
Marx is obviously an aspirational figure for me but that I don’t necessarily agree with everything he said.

Although again, even that bit has layers.

Been too long since I’ve reread the Manifesto, methinks.
 
Imagine saying Marx was an aspirational figure for you where you live 75 years ago! McCarthy would have been on the phone pretty damn quick and the feds would be at your door.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Imagine saying Marx was an aspirational figure for you where you live 75 years ago! McCarthy would have been on the phone pretty damn quick and the feds would be at your door.
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There are folks around here who would happily slug me for it.

Definitely would have had me in worse trouble back then! We learn it as “The Red Scare”.
 
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prawnking said:
Israel isn't the only regime to have a history of bullshitting, and I think people waiting gleefully for this to be debunked are missing the point, and tbh probably need some reflection on their reaction. Some of the comments and viewpoints online are astoundingly inhuman, but I'm not about to search for pics of atrocities to win an argument with anyone.
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Well on here, there were several who automatically assumed it was true and ridiculed TP for suggesting that it might not be? So that's why news of it NOT being true was of particular interest.
 
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