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Israel-Palestine

prawnking said:
Where's the unequivocal condemnation of Hamas' actions and outrage at such atrocities?

Why are you more concerned with dispassionately lecturing about what Israel's response should be than even acknowledging with any humanity the actions that necessitated any kind of response in the first place?

And why are you mentioning 'innocent civilians' only in the context of the victims of any reprisals?
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I wouldnt have thought anyone would need the unequivocal condemnation of Hamas' murderous, inhuman, sub-human actions? Bloody obvious I would have thought.

Just stating my opinion.
Not lecturing anybody, doubt Israel's leaders are reading the Wolves forum.

All civilians are innocent whatever nationality, most people want to live in peace with access to food, water, heat etc.
Im not trying to cause an argument or take sides btw. I am trying to see beyond/through the recent horrible, inexcusable events and not just swallow what I am told.
Whatever happened to the msm reporting on Syria, Al Shabab, Isis, the Taliban, the destruction of graves and artwork, blah, blah at least we can forget about Ukraine for a week or two.
Cynical? yes, you can level that at me.
 
Del Woppio said:
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This plight of Palestinians is really being brushed under the carpet here, as if they've gone in and butchered friendly neighbors.

What Hamas did at the weekend was absolutely abhorrent, and completely inexcusable. But it's not massively surprising given what they've but up with in modern history. They're not even dirt on the boots of the IDF, caged in the biggest open prison in the world. Their every meal and very existence being at the mercy of Israel's government.

Not defending the action or the disgusting brutality in the slightest, but we're very much being fed only one side of the story
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There are also plenty of people in Israel who believe Palestinians should be completely wiped out. Netanyahu is extremely right wing and some of the shit he comes out with is terrifying. Cutting off water and electricity is an horrific response but sadly nothing the residents aren't used to. If we'd adopted similar strategies in the 70s we'd have levelled Belfast and surrounded Ireland with warships.
 
Wolftone said:
I wouldnt have thought anyone would need the unequivocal condemnation of Hamas' murderous, inhuman, sub-human actions? Bloody obvious I would have thought.

Just stating my opinion.
Not lecturing anybody, doubt Israel's leaders are reading the Wolves forum.

All civilians are innocent whatever nationality, most people want to live in peace with access to food, water, heat etc.
Im not trying to cause an argument or take sides btw. I am trying to see beyond/through the recent horrible, inexcusable events and not just swallow what I am told.
Whatever happened to the msm reporting on Syria, Al Shabab, Isis, the Taliban, the destruction of graves and artwork, blah, blah at least we can forget about Ukraine for a week or two.
Cynical? yes, you can level that at me.
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Actually, those actions do need condemning, as our first reaction as human beings, not just moving past it to spout cold, analytical bollocks about a complex conflict most of us are hardly experts on and don't even have a direct stake in.

Too many people (not just on here) trying to be edgy and contrary and msm-cynical as a first reaction. We're talking about children and babies being slaughtered directly in cold blood, it's depraved and beyond politics
 
Del Woppio said:
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This plight of Palestinians is really being brushed under the carpet here, as if they've gone in and butchered friendly neighbors.

What Hamas did at the weekend was absolutely abhorrent, and completely inexcusable. But it's not massively surprising given what they've but up with in modern history...Their every meal and very existence being at the mercy of Israel's government.
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Sorry mate but you're totally wrong equating Hamas with the Palestinian people. You may as well equate the Taliban with the Afghan people.

Most Hamas leaders live or have lived in Qatar/Turkey/Egypt, often in luxury, and those in Gaza live lifestyles very different to the average citizen.
 
John Simpson on why the BBC dont refer to Hamas as terrorists:
Terrorism is a loaded word, which people use about an outfit they disapprove of morally. It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn - who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
We regularly point out that the British and other governments have condemned Hamas as a terrorist organisation, but that's their business. We also run interviews with guests and quote contributors who describe Hamas as terrorists.
The key point is that we don't say it in our voice. Our business is to present our audiences with the facts, and let them make up their own minds.

As it happens, of course, many of the people who've attacked us for not using the word terrorist have seen our pictures, heard our audio or read our stories, and made up their minds on the basis of our reporting, so it's not as though we're hiding the truth in any way - far from it.

Any reasonable person would be appalled by the kind of thing we've seen. It's perfectly reasonable to call the incidents that have occurred "atrocities", because that's exactly what they are.
No-one can possibly defend the murder of civilians, especially children and even babies - nor attacks on innocent, peace-loving people who are attending a music festival.
 
Supporting the Palestinian people is great. Wonderful.Right in my opinion. Twisting yourself in knots because you can’t see the difference between Palestine and Hamas is a bit shit though.
 
www.theguardian.com

Waving Palestinian flag may be a criminal offence, Braverman tells police

Home secretary also suggests clampdown on pro-Arab chants in letter that will concern free speech advocates
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

It is not just explicit pro-Hamas symbols and chants that are cause for concern. I would encourage police to consider whether chants such as: ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ should be understood as an expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world, and whether its use in certain contexts may amount to a racially aggravated section 5 public order offence.
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I know it's only because she's the Scottish first lady, but fair play SJM had given her a really sympathetic interview where they've talked about the international law breaches
 
Sarah-Jane Mee on Sky News. I felt she went a lot further than others have to get viewers to visualise what's going on to Palestinians there now, and what's coming
 
Sarah Jane Mee on Sky News.

I didn’t know either. I was guessing that @Del Woppio had gone over to the dark side and was watching Sir Jacob Mogg on Gbeebies.
 
Vladimir Putin urging Israel not to go ahead with any ground offensive as 'it would result in an unacceptable number of civilian casualties'

Fuck me this bloke is really taking the piss
 
Sniffer said:
Sarah Jane Mee on Sky News.

I didn’t know either. I was guessing that @Del Woppio had gone over to the dark side and was watching Sir Jacob Mogg on Gbeebies.
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Ah, now I see. Del Woppio's post had disappeared.
I googled it and one of the synonyms was 'Single Jewish Male' 😳 and I thought; David Lammy?? Eh?? 😲
 
Got him on ignore by any chance?
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Wolftone said:
John Simpson on why the BBC dont refer to Hamas as terrorists:
Terrorism is a loaded word, which people use about an outfit they disapprove of morally. It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn - who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
We regularly point out that the British and other governments have condemned Hamas as a terrorist organisation, but that's their business. We also run interviews with guests and quote contributors who describe Hamas as terrorists.
The key point is that we don't say it in our voice. Our business is to present our audiences with the facts, and let them make up their own minds.

As it happens, of course, many of the people who've attacked us for not using the word terrorist have seen our pictures, heard our audio or read our stories, and made up their minds on the basis of our reporting, so it's not as though we're hiding the truth in any way - far from it.

Any reasonable person would be appalled by the kind of thing we've seen. It's perfectly reasonable to call the incidents that have occurred "atrocities", because that's exactly what they are.
No-one can possibly defend the murder of civilians, especially children and even babies - nor attacks on innocent, peace-loving people who are attending a music festival.
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It's an odd one as in the UK (and other countries) there is an official list of designated terrorist groups that Hamas are on.

www.gov.uk

Proscribed terrorist groups or organisations

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
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