Hull 2 - Wolves 1 dissapointing end for our U21s verdict thread

[Freddeno]

Because we're always terrible at recruiting from overseas!...... And I realise that feeds into your second point about needing to improve the scouting/recruitment team, but Sako aside, we are shit at buying in foreign markets!

brittish players are valued like 5-10 times over their normal price..so, basically a no go market unless you are man c, chelsea or whatever and need some domestic players...i think it brings in another dimension of our play to get players from overseas, different mentality, more skills and less physical presence maybe..mix it up a bit and it will benefit the squad..i dont agree that sako is the only overseas player that has been good here..but our scout team needs a haulover

 

[Freddeno]

Not that there's any values to thinking on "what ifs" and it has been said before but imagine if we had never lost Dicko to injury...the lack of threat and cutting edge at times is still our biggest weakness right now but he may well have been the difference maker in more than a few games

biggest issue we didnt replace sako and afobe properly

 

[FrankMunro-371]

brittish players are valued like 5-10 times over their normal price..so, basically a no go market unless you are man c, chelsea or whatever and need some domestic players...i think it brings in another dimension of our play to get players from overseas, different mentality, more skills and less physical presence maybe..mix it up a bit and it will benefit the squad..i dont agree that sako is the only overseas player that has been good here..but our scout team needs a haulover

Leicester City signed a few English players at very little cost. The players are out there, they just need to be identified.

 

[Freddeno]

Leicester City signed a few English players at very little cost. The players are out there, they just need to be identified.

the thing is all english clubs are looking at them so its more likely the prem teams will get the best domestic players now..Leicester have done an amazing job but has also brought in the likes of Kante, Mahrez and Fuchs which has all been great parts of their succesful season

 

[Parkins left foot]

Leicester City signed a few English players at very little cost. The players are out there, they just need to be identified.

Don't disagree, but most times it doesn't work - occasionally it does & thats the ones that get remembered

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

There are very few (if any) teams that are successful in the Championship with a core of mostly foreign players. It just doesn't happen.

Look at what happened when we tried it with Solbakken.

 

[Freddeno]

There are very few (if any) teams that are successful in the Championship with a core of mostly foreign players. It just doesn't happen.

Look at what happened when we tried it with Solbakken.

So what do you suggest Dan..if we dont go that way i suggest we go for talented youngsters in our academy, not all in the same time but mixed with experienced players..what is your solution then? there is a lot of talent in europe though for cheap,,?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

the thing is all english clubs are looking at them so its more likely the prem teams will get the best domestic players now..Leicester have done an amazing job but has also brought in the likes of Kante, Mahrez and Fuchs which has all been great parts of their succesful season

Leicester were in the championship when they signed Morgan and Vardy. Though I think very few people thought they were turn out to be as good as they have been. It could just be that other championship sides have a better scouting system that Wolves, and that would disappoint me

 

[Freddeno]

btw didnt say we would have a core of foreign players..i just say there is very good players out there for a fraction what they cost in brittain

 

[Freddeno]

Leicester were in the championship when they signed Morgan and Vardy. Though I think very few people thought they were turn out to be as good as they have been. It could just be that other championship sides have a better scouting system that Wolves, and that would disappoint me

yes Frank I hear you..not many teams can replicate what Leicester have done though, despite the best scouts in the world..I salute Leicester though

 

[Freddeno]

instead of paying 2m pounds for a clogger like Coady from the liverpool academy you can get a very good creative midfield player from for example poland

 

[Parkins left foot]

But then few would have picked Morgan as a Premier league winner (which I think Leicester will be) a few years ago - sometimes you get lucky

 

[Freddeno]

true, there is always gonna be exceptions..in the beginning of the season i was laughing at morgan..he was so far off pace..but he has grown into it and now is solid and good

 

[Freddeno]

DP

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

So what do you suggest Dan..if we dont go that way i suggest we go for talented youngsters in our academy, not all in the same time but mixed with experienced players..what is your solution then? there is a lot of talent in europe though for cheap,,?

I don't think the likes of the Polish or Czech leagues are particular goldmines, the standard is really poor on the whole. I think when you're working to the kind of budget we're likely to have, chucking in additional barriers where you don't know how a player will adapt to the style of football, whether they can adjust to living in England, if they can deal with the volume of games...it's just too much of a risk, you'll end up throwing away far too much money on gambles with a tiny yield.

Wallace is the ideal profile for a signing while we're working under the current circumstances, young, good record in the lower leagues, picking him up before he makes it big and costs too much, bags of room for development. Of course you do have to actually play those players when you sign them and it's one of many areas where Ken has comprehensively failed this season.

We really should have been making better use of £5m than signing Conor Coady and Joe Mason, that's incredibly disappointing. I don't think that means you shift your entire focus on to a strategy that has a roughly 0% success rate to date across all clubs at this level in the last 20 years.

 

[Freddeno]

how you mean its a 0% success ratio bringin in foreign players to the english league? how many english vs foreign players play in the prem?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'm saying no-one (to my knowledge at least) has packed their team at this level with 5-6 low key overseas signings and been successful.

 

[Freddeno]

im not saying we should pack our team with foreign players..im saying we can get very good players in for less money than if they were Brittish, that is all..and not all scouts in england would have noticed them(if we had a good scouting team of course, which we dont have)

 

[Freddeno]

dont want low key players in, our team is packed with less than low key players TBF

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Everyone watches everyone these days, there aren't masses of untapped talent sitting in Eastern Europe (where as I say, domestic football is almost uniformly terrible) just waiting for us to snap them up and whack them straight into a 46 game season. It's the realm of fantasy I'm afraid.

Feel free to look through all the promoted squads in the last 10 years from this division, you will not find many that shifted focus largely away from the British market and for good reason, that is overwhelmingly the best strategy to go with. Watford last year might be an exception but that's largely down to their ownership structure meaning they could cherrypick players who by rights were signed for a Serie A or La Liga club.

The players are out there, Hull's left hand side tonight came from Dundee Utd and Chesterfield, Middlesbrough's midfield trio came from Huddersfield, Ipswich and Wigan for relative pennies, Vokes was our cast off and is banging them in for Burnley, you can go on and on and on. We have far more chance of signing decent players from Leagues One and Two than we do on raiding the Ekstraklasa and coming up trumps somehow. For every successful overseas Championship signing I bet there are half a dozen Tongo Doumbias, where the scouting has gone in, on the face of it they have all the attributes to play here but it comprehensively doesn't work out. In his case because he had the heart of a pea.