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How long has Corbyn got left?

I'd like to see someone with a West Mids accent be PM (not sure Chamberlain counts), but as per my objections to Corbyn I don't think she'd appeal to the wider electorate which is ultimately is what's key for me.
 
Tony Towner said:
I'd like to see someone with a West Mids accent be PM (not sure Chamberlain counts), but as per my objections to Corbyn I don't think she'd appeal to the wider electorate which is ultimately is what's key for me.
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I think she might do just that. I'm not sure she appeals to the upper class, which is no bad thing, she's not too Trade Union biased and has a good chance of binning scum like Milne off.
 
Johnny75 said:
I think she might do just that. I'm not sure she appeals to the upper class, which is no bad thing, she's not too Trade Union biased and has a good chance of binning scum like Milne off.
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This may be paranoia, but I think she'd get buried by the RWP for her accent. Belittling people with West Mids accents is fair game, when it isn't with any other. We are the country who didn't elect a bloke principally because of one bad photo eating a sarnie so image matters and I think they'd go to town on her. See the post earlier in the thread for the type of example.

Politically, I'm not sure what she stands for. Criticises both Blair and Corbyn, big on women's rights and defending the less advantaged, but despite following her on Twitter I don't know what any of that translates into policy wise or economically. I'll be interested to find out.
 
Lisa Nandy is in now too. Voted for Johnson's deal then got upset when he later removed commitments to workers rights.
 
Starmer as leader, Phillips as deputy would be my preference.
 
Starmer released an excellent video yesterday and tbf Nandy said all the right things on Ridge this morning. Might all be bollocks to win the left over but benefit of the doubt and all that.

I've always liked Clive Lewis but he was an ultra-remainer which won't work.
 
Jess Philips doesn't seem to have a vision of any sort. A very 90s politician in that sense. That said, her 'Arm just like yo bab' shtick does seem to cut through if my relatives are anything to go by.
 
If Labour moves to the centre, we will be indistinguishable from Tories. I mean, there might be a few small differences, like how a centre-left Labour government lifted 600,000 children and 1 million pensioners out of poverty. But otherwise Tory

Oh yeah, and a centre-left Labour government doubled funding for every pupil, and added 36,000 extra teachers and 274,000 teaching assistants, transforming education and giving a better future for millions. But apart from that, basically Tory.

And sure, a centre-left Labour government won 3 elections back-to-back, giving it time to train and employ 85,000 more nurses, cut NHS waiting times by 82% and get in-patient waiting lists down half a million. But really: just Tory.

Oh, and they introduced minimum wage, created 1.8 million new jobs, cut long term unemployment by 75%, doubled the number of apprenticeships, and introduced right to 24 days holiday and 2 weeks paternity leave. So there's that minor difference from Tories.

And yeah, ok, so they had the longest period of low inflation growth since 1960, created an independent Bank of England, and wrote off debt for dozens of poor nations. Which I grant you, is a *bit* different from Tories. But only a bit. Not proper Labour.

And they delivered peace in Ireland, added 14,000 extra police, cut crime by 35% and increased criminal justice (court) spending by 21% And opened 2,200 Sure Start centres, brought record literacy, record numeracy, and free nursery places. But otherwise: pure Conservative

And they doubled overseas aid, which isn't exactly Tory. And created Gift Aid. And brought in devolution for Scotland and Wales Banned fur farming And brought Human Rights Act into UK law And the cleanest rivers, beaches, water and air since industrial revolution

But Tory, basically. Except for 26% increase in child benefit, introduction of winter fuel payments, improvements to 1 million social homes, child Tax Credits, and creation of 3 million child trust funds.

Oh yeah, and they Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships, the Tory scum. And banned fox hunting, I'll grant you. And free TV licenses to over 75s And free entry to museums and art galleries And a smoking ban.

I forgot. Free eye tests and bus travel for over 60s Heart disease deaths down 150,000 Cancer deaths down 50,000 Free breast screening for 50-70 year-olds And created NHS Direct. Just like the Tories would. Probably.

And it's true they created less debt than the Tory government before them and the Tory government after, even though they had to bail out the banks after a global crash. So I guess being better at economics than Tories isn't exactly Tory.

Anyway, as I was saying. The last thing Labour should do now is move to the centre, because even if we do win elections we are basically the same as Tories. I mean, sure, I might have identified a few tiny, insignificant differences. But apart from that.

Anyway: I think I've made my case. Stay where Corbyn took us: historic defeat, but Purity Of Essence. Because that definitely helps the country more than implementing all those terrible things I listed above. Who needs all that nonsense?
 
Wow mate, they sound fantastic ! You'd think that people would vote for them. Until they move more central, people wont.
I have purity of essence, I personally believe there should be no need for charity, don't buy a couple of missiles fund the air ambulance etc. etc. it doesn't mean anything to anybody I may as well wish all dogs should compulsory wear suites !
 
Paul said:
Wow mate, they sound fantastic ! You'd think that people would vote for them. Until they move more central, people wont.
I have purity of essence, I personally believe there should be no need for charity, don't buy a couple of missiles fund the air ambulance etc. etc. it doesn't mean anything to anybody I may as well wish all dogs should compulsory wear suites !
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That's his point... The previous Labour government still had Labour values (in his eyes and clearly the electorate too) and were electable
 
darlowolf64 said:
That's his point... The previous Labour government still had Labour values (in his eyes and clearly the electorate too) and were electable
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And nowhere near the far left nonsense they are now.
 
Yes - posted it in full because it was exactly how I feel about the current situation.

Desperately looking for light at the end of a very dark political tunnel.
 
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