How long has Corbyn got left?

[Derby Wolf]

No wrong.

It was entirely about putting you back in your box with your 19.5 k struggling to pay bills as if there is no other help available.

Which is exactly what you were insinuating. There is help available.

You just like to vent your spleen. Doesn't make you right.

Child tax credit no longer exists it was swallowed by Universal Credit the problems with which are long since known.

My partner took time out from work due to health issues and has paid in all her life so we claimed UC to help us out in the interim - we applied for it 4 weeks in advance to mitigate the five week wait and received a month's welfare.

This month the assessment period is from 22/11 - 20/12. I am paid four weekly, HMRC in their period report to the DWP said I'd been paid X so the DWP told us we were entitled to nothing. I was paid on the first and last day of the period. I don't earn a great deal working in retail and we are going to have to stretch every penny until the third week of January when I'm next paid.

Fortunately my other half starts a new job in January and we have adequate savings/overdrafts/never never cards for it not to hurt us badly. Others haven't got those resources, the DWP attitude on their website is budget accordingly even though it's obvious my pay from 22/11 has no bearing on today 27th December

When you were 'actively' parenting child benefit was universal and the DWP weren't nearly as hostile towards anybody and everybody. I think the rag Pad is snarling at is that you've never had to fully engage with this system. The reality is vastly different. If the help was so readily available there wouldn't be 4.6m children in poverty.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Child tax credit no longer exists it was swallowed by Universal Credit the problems with which are long since known.

My partner took time out from work due to health issues and has paid in all her life so we claimed UC to help us out in the interim - we applied for it 4 weeks in advance to mitigate the five week wait and received a month's welfare.

This month the assessment period is from 22/11 - 20/12. I am paid four weekly, HMRC in their period report to the DWP said I'd been paid X so the DWP told us we were entitled to nothing. I was paid on the first and last day of the period. I don't earn a great deal working in retail and we are going to have to stretch every penny until the third week of January when I'm next paid.

Fortunately my other half starts a new job in January and we have adequate savings/overdrafts/never never cards for it not to hurt us badly. Others haven't got those resources, the DWP attitude on their website is budget accordingly even though it's obvious my pay from 22/11 has no bearing on today 27th December

When you were 'actively' parenting child benefit was universal and the DWP weren't nearly as hostile towards anybody and everybody. I think the rag Pad is snarling at is that you've never had to fully engage with this system. The reality is vastly different. If the help was so readily available there wouldn't be 4.6m children in poverty.

Totally agree with your last paragraph. I am thankful I have not had dealings with this lot. If that's the case, fair point. There are times I press Padds buttons far too easily. Your summation I can get.

BTW if you could get to hermit street in Lincoln and kick the arse of the car thief who nicked his car and ruined his Christmas I will be grateful! Its been recovered and we are going through insurance, but it knocked him right out of kilter, bastards.

 

[Tredman]

This says a lot about Corbynistas. They look on us with as much disdain as Boris and his pals. Two sides of the same gold sovereign.

 

[visage]

They've always been like that. Sneering, purity obsessed cultists. They're a cancer at the heart of Labour.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

This says a lot about Corbynistas. They look on us with as much disdain as Boris and his pals. Two sides of the same gold sovereign.

What makes you think this twitter account is the work of “Corbynistas”?

 

[Papper]

If the help was so readily available there wouldn't be 4.6m children in poverty.

That's a frightening stat.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-british-workers-live-in-poverty-charity-says

The charity defines the poverty line as being when households earn less than 60% of the median income, adjusted for size and type of household. The average median income for UK households after housing costs was £425 a week (£22,100 a year) in 2016-17.

My rough calculation suggests that if you have a household income of less than £13K a year you are in poverty (2016-17)

 

[Templeton Peck]

What makes you think this twitter account is the work of “Corbynistas”?

A quick look through the feed suggests they might not be hugely sympathetic to Corbyn...

 

[The Saturday Boy]

A quick look through the feed suggests they might not be hugely sympathetic to Corbyn...

Or anything to the left of Tommy...

 

[Templeton Peck]

https://www.bigissue.com/latest/why...in-the-general-election/#.XgtKheEqm6n.twitter

There's no question Labour did a lot of good things whilst in govt - Minimum wage, schools, NHS, Clause 28 gone, Sure Start, GFA, EMAs and New Deal are all fabulous things. However, the changes were temporary: Blair did not transform so much as modestly improve.

Other issues:

Increase in inequality
Only 3000 council properties built
Light touch regulation
PFI
Devolution (meant to kill off independence...)
Part privatisation of NHS, Post Office and prisons
Academies
Tuition fees

Failure to impact on people's real lives has fed a growing disillusionment with politics in general and the dislocation of many from society. Also, not helped by dreadful language and policies towards immigrants that occurred on New Labour's watch: https://twitter.com/BloomfieldSJ/status/1066774213376258048 Blair's electoral tactic was to take Labour heartlands for granted and tempt flaky Tories. It worked then. It can't work now.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It would work one hell of a lot better than the nonsense Corbyn tried.

 

[Tony Towner]

I've seen the Blair was the architect of Corbyns defeat arguement a lot over the last few weeks. Most of it holds little water for me. Where I do have some agreement though is that his failure to put restrictions on freedom of movement in 2004 sowed the seeds for Brexit.

 

[Templeton Peck]

It would work one hell of a lot better than the nonsense Corbyn tried.

How will that work then?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Well it might actually win a bloody election, which Corbynism never EVER will.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Well it might actually win a bloody election, which Corbynism never EVER will.

Yeah but what? Blair plan = add floaty tory types to taken for granted Labour voters. Worked beautifully in 1997. What now?

 

[Tony Towner]

Yeah but what? Blair plan = add floaty tory types to taken for granted Labour voters. Worked beautifully in 1997. What now?

The taken for granted voters, which I'd place more at Corbyn's door than Blair's will come back. Even Johnson keeps going on about lending him their vote. They won't vote for him again and he'll do nothing, Brexit aside to appeal to them. Flakey Tories also known as floating voters are what you need to form a Government. Labour can do that again, they won't with the wrong leader

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yeah but what? Blair plan = add floaty tory types to taken for granted Labour voters. Worked beautifully in 1997. What now?

Not alienating them plus your main core support would possibly be a help.

But hey the cult still think everything will come out rosy in four years. Yeah, right. Worst Conservative government in forever, led by a pathological liar and complete fucking wanker. And hey ho, Corbyn delivered a result as bad as Foot against Thatcher at her zenith having just won a war. I would aver that popping back toward that Blair plan might not be a bad idea...

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Not alienating them plus your main core support would possibly be a help.

But hey the cult still think everything will come out rosy in four years. Yeah, right. Worst Conservative government in forever, led by a pathological liar and complete fucking wanker. And hey ho, Corbyn delivered a result as bad as Foot against Thatcher at her zenith having just won a war. I would aver that popping back toward that Blair plan might not be a bad idea...

I completely agree with you. I would take a Blair over Milliband , Foot , Corbyn, Brown any day anyhow and definitely over May or Boris.

And a happy new year to you sparring partner. And to squeeze and mini. I hope 2020 is good for you all and we can finally meet.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We'll get there. First pint is on me when we do.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

We'll get there. First pint is on me when we do.

Deal. Mines a pint of jack Daniels! :xmasprez::disco::disco:

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I'll bring a litre...