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[Quirkafleeg]

Now with Hoever gone do we sweep things under the carpet the way our grand parents did ?

 

[jlo]

I'm loathed to continue this discussion, but presumably Pep is in the wrong here with his comments on Walker too then?

Manchester City: Pep Guardiola still 'so angry' with Kyle Walker over red card - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60667087

 

[Tony Towner]

Not remotely comparable

 

[Derby Wolf]

I'm loathed to continue this discussion, but presumably Pep is in the wrong here with his comments on Walker too then?

Manchester City: Pep Guardiola still 'so angry' with Kyle Walker over red card - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60667087

The obvious context being Kyle Walker is a senior professional with over 500 appearances and Ki Jana Hoever barely 20.

You cant argue Walker doing something stupid what was there for all to see. You can question did Hoever really fail to prepare and if he did why was he still allowed to play.

 

[jlo]

But Lage called out a number of youngsters, he didn't say it was only Hoever. He specifically said this applied wider and Hoever was one example of that. I respect others see it differently, I just think you're hung up on the soundbite not the full context, and that's driven by media trying to get clicks. Alright, Lage could've said exactly the same thing without calling out Hoever specifically, but it would've been clear who he meant.

And I'm still saying the timing wasn't appropriate, he should've taken the blame for the defeat at that point anyway.

And why was he allowed to play? Literally because there wasn't another choice barring square pegs.

 

[lemonjelly]

But he did mention Hoever by name, and referenced the other youngsters to being "like him", as if Hoever set the standard. It comes across as pretty targeted tbh.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I think when you consider this article, it's a little more understandable why Lage has dug Hoever out, he clearly has ideas above his station

The reasons why Lage & Hoever's relationship reached boiling point

Bruno Lage publicly criticised defender Ki-Jana Hoever after Wolves lost to Crystal Palace on Saturday

www.birminghammail.co.uk

The Wolves hierarchy told Hoever that he would eventually replace Semedo, whose contract at Molineux expires in 2023 - although there is a two-year option to extend it.

Hoever played 15 games across all competitions for Wolves last season and believed he would start this term on par with Semedo. But it soon became apparent that Semedo was Lage’s undisputed first choice.

I mean, wow.

 

[Johnny75]

I think when you consider this article, it's a little more understandable why Lage has dug Hoever out, he clearly has ideas above his station

The reasons why Lage & Hoever's relationship reached boiling point

Bruno Lage publicly criticised defender Ki-Jana Hoever after Wolves lost to Crystal Palace on Saturday

www.birminghammail.co.uk

I mean, wow.

So Lage dug Hoever out because the board promised Hoever something?

Really?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The club have apparently told Hoever that he is the long term replacement for Semedo, but Hoever expected to be on a par with him this season.

That's how i read it?

And clearly he must know he is no where at the level Semedo is?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Why do we need a long term replacement for Semedo, he's not long turned 28? And we obviously aren't going to release him in 2023, are we.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Why do we need a long term replacement for Semedo, he's not long turned 28? And we obviously aren't going to release him in 2023, are we.

I agree, it's weird.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Almost as if someone has fed them that story.

Could it be someone who was recently upset may have been the source

 

[Sniffer]

I would imagine if you sign a young full back and let him know that an experienced £30 odd million full back is arriving to play ahead of him, you convinced him to sign on the basis that the plan will one day be for him to be first choice. From there onwards its up to the youngster to prove he is good enough.
It wouldn't be a promise of any description.
Regardless of what is going on behind the scenes, Lage shouldn't have publicly criticised him and if he was so concerned about his attitude then he shouldn't have picked him.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

New deal to 2027 for Neto.

 

[NicholasG1973]

New deal to 2027 for Neto.

Wow. Brilliant.

Some much needed good news.

 

[AndyWolves]

That's excellent news! Just hope that doesn't include a release clause!

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I don't get the outrage over the comments made by Lage. Hoever is a professional footballer, paid well to do his job whether that job is on the pitch, on the training ground or whatever else the club asks of him. Nobody has any idea what has come before this and maybe Lage has been keeping his criticism behind closed doors and finally decided enough is enough and taken a different approach.

If Hoever isn't applying himself properly it will be to the detriment of his own career, if he sees this as his wake up call then maybe he can fulfil his obvious potential.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Mainly as it's not great from Lage to fire into an individual player when he's literally just presided over a match where we lost, barely had a shot and he picked a team that made absolutely no sense. And we've been shite for weeks, mainly down to how he has us playing.

It's passing the buck and doing it in an environment where the player doesn't even have the immediate right of reply.

 

[Jinky]

Mainly as it's not great from Lage to fire into an individual player when he's literally just presided over a match where we lost, barely had a shot and he picked a team that made absolutely no sense. And we've been shite for weeks, mainly down to how he has us playing.

It's passing the buck and doing it in an environment where the player doesn't even have the immediate right of reply.

Christ, give it a rest, mate. More relentless than I ever have been on Shi & I got picked up on that!

As for Neto, great news. The cynic in me thinks they’ve done it while his value is relatively low (just returning from long term injury, looked a bit rusty etc) - but it’s nice to have secured him on a long term contract even if we do end up selling him for a big profit in a year or two. Need him to get up to speed pretty sharpish now.

Too much to ask for Neves to be nailed down on to a long term contract next…?

 

[1986]

I don't get the outrage over the comments made by Lage. Hoever is a professional footballer, paid well to do his job whether that job is on the pitch, on the training ground or whatever else the club asks of him. Nobody has any idea what has come before this and maybe Lage has been keeping his criticism behind closed doors and finally decided enough is enough and taken a different approach.

If Hoever isn't applying himself properly it will be to the detriment of his own career, if he sees this as his wake up call then maybe he can fulfil his obvious potential.

You never , as a Manager , hang individual players out to dry in an interview . That's dreadful Management . Talk to them in private - and even then there is a right way and a wrong way to do it in private as well .