General Wolves News

[Paddingtonwolf]

If you are made redundant and then get a job a week later you dont have to return the money from your redundancy do you.

 

[Boozad]

No. But managers aren’t made redundant they’re sacked. And if you’re sacked you don’t get massive payoffs. Unless you’re a football manager.

 

[Tony Towner]

The situation I said is typical in football, we've read on a number of occasions x hasn't taken a job because his severance package has yet to be agreed with y - they don't walk out with a big cheque, it's often months of wrangling to come to an agreement. One of the reasons clubs fo that is in the hope the manager gets a new role and they can save money. Because of the relationship Nuno and his agent have with the club he and his team may have been paid up in full at the point of dismissal, but it wouldn't be the norm.

 

[Wulfie88]

 

[Jinky]

Hoever has taken all the Wolves stuff off his social media bios.

Let the rumour mill commence.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Hoever has taken all the Wolves stuff off his social media bios.

Let the rumour mill commence.

He's coming across more than a little bit childish.

Another remarkable Liverpool sale where they have got about 10x his value.

 

[Johnny75]

He's coming across more than a little bit childish.

Another remarkable Liverpool sale where they have got about 10x his value.

He has only just turned 20 . Got to cut the kid some slack.

 

[lemonjelly]

he's also just been thrown under the bus in a pretty unacceptable way by someone who should know a lot lot better.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Its social media, I wouldn't take too much notice.

It also sounds exactly like something I would do when pissed off with something! Shows he is upset more than anything and at least that shows he cares in a strange round about way.

 

[Tredman]

The whole thing reflects really badly on us as a club, we want to pick up young and exciting players and build them up for future sale value - behaving like a prick and digging them out in public is really not a good idea. Can't think of any other sector where it would be acceptable.

 

[lemonjelly]

also, you don't see many other senior managers telling the world their assets are a pile of crap.
since gerald ratner, and that worked well for him...

 

[Tredman]

Football's not a real industry so it doesn't count, but I think in most companies any manager publicly slagging other employees would be sacked.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Deano brought up Dave Jones the other day, he was bad for it. Always used to lose his shit with Naylor (then give him a new deal). Showed zero consideration to Roussel's personal situation not long after signing for us. A very obvious fall out with Ince towards the end. How he treated Oakes and Iversen when they'd finally found some form. His epic statement about Kenny Miller - "he's been on the list for six months and who's come in for him, exactly". At the time that was our main goal threat and he got so pissed off with it that he ended up leaving us on a free.

It's shit management on every conceivable level. I don't like comparing current Wolves managers with Dave Jones as he was rubbish and a prat. But if the cap fits...

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

I think hes had a brain fart and missed the internal/external dialogue. Not very good practice but it happens, if he starts doing this to all players regularly then he has lost the plot completely, but one player who did shit out of it.

Hes given him a very public bollocking, its up to him to decide how he reacts. He can either pull his socks up or he can look for a move, quite simple.

 

[Sniffer]

"Ki played the last minutes against Liverpool in a different position and they scored, but against Chelsea I played him and he was fantastic. The young guys don't have too much patience, so I want them to focus on their work." #wwfc

If it was a brain fart it started in the pre match press conference. It tarnishes all of them with the same brush too whether its Cundle, RAN, Silva, Gomes, Chiquinho or Hoever.

I think Tredders called it a cnuts trick on Saturday night and I'm still in agreement with him.

 

[jlo]

I thought the whole Lage quote in context was more balanced than the soundbites quote. Can't find it now, but it didn't seem quite so much of an attack on Hoever, but more generally telling the younger players to apply themselves better

 

[Jinky]

I thought the whole Lage quote in context was more balanced than the soundbites quote. Can't find it now, but it didn't seem quite so much of an attack on Hoever, but more generally telling the younger players to apply themselves better

Agreed. Bruno (and any football manager) has a tough gig. Play shit one week and say otherwise = gets criticised. Play shit and say as much = get criticised. In some cases, you just can't win, because people think in different ways and there will always be someone out there who disagrees with what's right or wrong.

In this instance, Hoever may react positively, get his head down and improve because of it. My suspicion from everything that I know and have read, is he'll have a sulk and probably be binned off in the summer for a loss or on loan somewhere. Many kids, when they come through at a club like Liverpool, they feel they've already made it. We've seen it hundreds of times.

I actually quite liked Bruno's comments at the weekend (definitely better than "we played well and we need to keep working on our ideas and solutions"). As Jlo has said, the quote about Hoever in insolation looked extremely harsh - Spiers is a bellend for posting the soundbite out of context - the whole monologue was more balanced & not specifically about one player.

If Bruno is training them in a certain way and giving them instructions and then the players are crossing the white line and ignoring him or letting him down, I think it's fair for him to say something and as fans, it's sometimes nice to see that reaction. You can't always get results from quiet words behind closed doors. Hopefully both parties have learnt something.

 

[Sniffer]

I'd sooner he admit to his own shortcomings rather than publicly criticising players. He picked the side that didn't compete with Palace and with the exception of Hoever they were all senior players.



"Ki is a good example of the young kids, they want everything to happen [now]," said Lage in his post-match press conference. "When you are out and your teammate is playing, and you are not training at the intensity, you are not preparing yourself and after, when you have a chance, these kinds of things happen.


"I have too many kids in my team that sometimes don't work the way they should work. They do not prepare the way they should prepare and after, when they come inside [the team], these kinds of things happen.


"When they are in training they are thinking a lot, 'Oh I'm not playing', and I said to them in the first day when I started, 'We are here, you need to continue to work. The first target is to work and improve.'


"Injuries can happen, but this one happened because he was not prepared because Ki sometimes doesn't work in the same intensity. This warning is not only for Ki, it's for all the kids we have in our team.

"They need to understand that I don't waste time with guys who don't work hard every day to improve. I can see guys who are 35 years old and they don't play, like Joao (Moutinho) didn't (at West Ham), and they are trying to win balls in the air, 'Hey, look at me, I'm here'."

 

[redvictor]

I'd sooner he admit to his own shortcomings rather than publicly criticising players. He picked the side that didn't compete with Palace and with the exception of Hoever they were all senior players.



"Ki is a good example of the young kids, they want everything to happen [now]," said Lage in his post-match press conference. "When you are out and your teammate is playing, and you are not training at the intensity, you are not preparing yourself and after, when you have a chance, these kinds of things happen.


"I have too many kids in my team that sometimes don't work the way they should work. They do not prepare the way they should prepare and after, when they come inside [the team], these kinds of things happen.


"When they are in training they are thinking a lot, 'Oh I'm not playing', and I said to them in the first day when I started, 'We are here, you need to continue to work. The first target is to work and improve.'


"Injuries can happen, but this one happened because he was not prepared because Ki sometimes doesn't work in the same intensity. This warning is not only for Ki, it's for all the kids we have in our team.

"They need to understand that I don't waste time with guys who don't work hard every day to improve. I can see guys who are 35 years old and they don't play, like Joao (Moutinho) didn't (at West Ham), and they are trying to win balls in the air, 'Hey, look at me, I'm here'."

I can't see the problem. Young kids don't work hard enough, get a bollocking, then you pull the wheat from the chaff. The problem is with modern society is not telling kids they aren't doing well. Just telling them they are amazing, even if they are shit doesn't work at all.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

I can't see the problem. Young kids don't work hard enough, get a bollocking, then you pull the wheat from the chaff. The problem is with modern society is not telling kids they aren't doing well. Just telling them they are amazing, even if they are shit doesn't work at all.

The issue isn’t that he’s telling them, it’s how he did it. Maybe he’s tried previously in private but he made no reference to having done so.