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[jlo]

I'd sooner he admit to his own shortcomings rather than publicly criticising players. He picked the side that didn't compete with Palace and with the exception of Hoever they were all senior players.



"Ki is a good example of the young kids, they want everything to happen [now]," said Lage in his post-match press conference. "When you are out and your teammate is playing, and you are not training at the intensity, you are not preparing yourself and after, when you have a chance, these kinds of things happen.


"I have too many kids in my team that sometimes don't work the way they should work. They do not prepare the way they should prepare and after, when they come inside [the team], these kinds of things happen.


"When they are in training they are thinking a lot, 'Oh I'm not playing', and I said to them in the first day when I started, 'We are here, you need to continue to work. The first target is to work and improve.'


"Injuries can happen, but this one happened because he was not prepared because Ki sometimes doesn't work in the same intensity. This warning is not only for Ki, it's for all the kids we have in our team.

"They need to understand that I don't waste time with guys who don't work hard every day to improve. I can see guys who are 35 years old and they don't play, like Joao (Moutinho) didn't (at West Ham), and they are trying to win balls in the air, 'Hey, look at me, I'm here'."

Two different points, yes he can and should take responsibility for the team and performance but secondly, I still see nothing wrong with the quote - thanks for posting it in full

 

[sycophantia]

I can't see the problem. Young kids don't work hard enough, get a bollocking, then you pull the wheat from the chaff. The problem is with modern society is not telling kids they aren't doing well. Just telling them they are amazing, even if they are shit doesn't work at all.

No issue with him bollocking players, young or old, but not keen on him doing it in public.
Makes him look like he has no control over the players. He's had 7 or 8 months to sort these kids out, if they haven't responded then don't pick them, bomb them out to the u23s, could easily have swapped him with Bolla in January if he wasn't happy with his attitude.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Here's a thing Bruno. If you got beat 2-0 against a team earlier in the season - a team who are decent, not great, not awful - and barely laid a glove on them in the process, would you "prepare" for the return fixture by a) adapting your methods and seeking to find an alternative way to pose some kind of threat (any would do), or b) aiming to play exactly the same way, except this time you also voluntarily take out any and all goal threat that we have?

Because that seems to me to be quite an issue. More so than our back up right wing back getting injured.

 

[redvictor]

No issue with him bollocking players, young or old, but not keen on him doing it in public.
Makes him look like he has no control over the players. He's had 7 or 8 months to sort these kids out, if they haven't responded then don't pick them, bomb them out to the u23s, could easily have swapped him with Bolla in January if he wasn't happy with his attitude.

It's opinions. I'm sure he did it privately for a while first. Him getting injured when we only had Jonny as cover probably made him mad as fuck. Mad enough to dig him out in public. Sometimes you just have to do it....

 

[jlo]

Here's a thing Bruno. If you got beat 2-0 against a team earlier in the season - a team who are decent, not great, not awful - and barely laid a glove on them in the process, would you "prepare" for the return fixture by a) adapting your methods and seeking to find an alternative way to pose some kind of threat (any would do), or b) aiming to play exactly the same way, except this time you also voluntarily take out any and all goal threat that we have?

Because that seems to me to be quite an issue. More so than our back up right wing back getting injured.

Don't disagree with you, he should've also taken personal responsibility. Just don't think he's trying to deflect on Hoever, more the media hoohaa is making a bigger fuss of that. I'm guessing you're in a similar boat and don't necessarily disagree with what he has said, just a) it's the wrong focus, and b) as a result of a, the timing is not necessarily relevant

 

[Tony Towner]

Two different points, yes he can and should take responsibility for the team and performance but secondly, I still see nothing wrong with the quote - thanks for posting it in full

Either you are naive or I'm too cynical, but for me he threw Hoever under the bus to take attention away from his shite team selection, so they are linked and media wise it worked

 

[big mean bunny]

I think if Hoever has been moaning about playing well and wanting more time, and then comes in and plays like he has then he utterly deserves some time under the bus.

Hoever is a player who has had to battle through several levels of academy football to get to here, no player on that journey has had an easy ride.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

You don't do it publicly though. That's shit for team morale.

 

[Tony Towner]

You don't do it publicly though. That's shit for team morale.

And devalues your asset as you've just told the world he's a prick

 

[redvictor]

You don't do it publicly though. That's shit for team morale.

Or maybe it's good. Neves said anyone in the dressing room who isn't with the team is out. Maybe the senior players wanted the manager to do what he did..

 

[Johnny75]

It's opinions. I'm sure he did it privately for a while first. Him getting injured when we only had Jonny as cover probably made him mad as fuck. Mad enough to dig him out in public. Sometimes you just have to do it....

Nah, that's cuntery.

You never dig out your players in public.

 

[redvictor]

Nah, that's cuntery.

You never dig out your players in public.

It's opinions. I'm good with it.

 

[Johnny75]

It's opinions. I'm good with it.

More morals than opinions to me.

He's a person of power belittling a person in his staff publicly.

Morally that's wrong.

 

[jlo]

More morals than opinions to me.

He's a person of power belittling a person in his staff publicly.

Morally that's wrong.

I'd agree with you if it was just the snippet version of the quote, absolutely. But in full, it's not belittling him IMV, but you can still question if that was the right time to make that point. I thought he was just trying to be too honest with the fans, call me naive

 

[redvictor]

More morals than opinions to me.

He's a person of power belittling a person in his staff publicly.

Morally that's wrong.

If he isn't honest he's wrong. If he is honest he's wrong. Pick which one you want.

 

[lemonjelly]

One can be factually correct yet can act unethically is the point? Wrong as incorrect, and wrong as in inappropriate are separate issues and meanings.

 

[redvictor]

One can be factually correct yet can act unethically is the point? Wrong as incorrect, and wrong as in inappropriate are separate issues and meanings.

Depends if you think what he said was unethical. I don't..

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Depends if you think what he said was unethical. I don't..

No it doesn't, the two interpretations of wrong still apply.

 

[Tony Towner]

It's a completely appropriate comment....in 1982. See Clough and Justin Fashanu. I don't know how you can defend it now

 

[redvictor]

It's a completely appropriate comment....in 1982. See Clough and Justin Fashanu. I don't know how you can defend it now

It's called having a different opinion to you and whoever else thinks Bruno shouldn't have said anything about Heover. It's as simple as that! Or are we not allowed to have one different?