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Farage Ltd and Similar Watch

tredman said:
Unfortunately you probably wouldn't notice any difference than if you'd have voted for the current public school boys we have in charge now
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I don't know. I can't see any Labour administration letting an IDS loose.
 
I can't remember if he forced terminally ill people into poverty or asked cancer patients to do 'work related activity'. You'll have to remind me.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
I can't remember if he forced terminally ill people into poverty or asked cancer patients to do 'work related activity'. You'll have to remind me.
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I'm sure that he and the rest of the Labour front bench will have the chance to prove that they're better than the incumbent clowns from next year. I'm not holding my breath I have to say.
 
I think anyone would be better than IDS. A man who feels the unemployed should wear gold stars.
 
I don't believe IDS should be representing the Conservative party either. There is a well-known and well-established fringe on the right of the Conservative party, including IDS, whom I really wouldn't mind if they did all toddle off and go and play with Farage. I would have to hope that there was enough centre-right within the Conservative party to cope with that loss and pick up the votes again, possibly at a subsequent election when the UKIP emperor's new clothes have been seen.

There is obviously though the opposite concern that a decent electoral result for UKIP gives that party an element of true legitimacy. My biggest dread is them trying to hold the balance of power in a hung parliament. I would want the largest party to get into bed with even Sinn Fein to prevent that scenario.
 
andyc225 said:
The prospect of Chancellor Balls isn't exactly inspiring either.
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The very same man who was highly critical of David Cameron for being among the privileged elite, while forgetting his own privileged upbringing.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
The very same man who was highly critical of David Cameron for being among the privileged elite, while forgetting his own privileged upbringing.
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You're an educated man. Why must you play in the dirt of such inane fripperies?
 
I grew up in an environment bred by Thatcher where my father was led to believe that personal advancement came before anything else. Broadly working class but with a clear aspiration to middle class. By the time I was old enough to know any better, lo and behold, we were middle class. Despite my Dad growing up on a dirt poor shite estate. I went to grammar school, I went to one of the best universities in the country. I don't see how background has anything to do with one's political beliefs. I don't need to hand my socialist cards in at the door because of what my parents chose to do. Not that I am particularly socialist these days, I believe in social justice more than any economic dogma.

I'm a bit sick of people telling me what I should and shouldn't believe and the hysterical stereotypes of anyone who dares lean slightly to the left. I believe in equality, I believe that the poorest in our society should be helped out of there rather than chastised and locked away there for life. Iain Duncan Smith has a fucking hell of a lot to answer for, he is one politician who truly does have blood on his hands.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm not fond of being constantly portrayed as some granola eating Richard Littlejohn concoction when actually, I don't think what I believe is that extreme.
 
Nobody can help their upbringing - its their ability to see beyond it that counts. Not an issue for Tony Benn clearly.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
I grew up in an environment bred by Thatcher where my father was led to believe that personal advancement came before anything else. Broadly working class but with a clear aspiration to middle class. By the time I was old enough to know any better, lo and behold, we were middle class. Despite my Dad growing up on a dirt poor $#@!e estate. I went to grammar school, I went to one of the best universities in the country. I don't see how background has anything to do with one's political beliefs. I don't need to hand my socialist cards in at the door because of what my parents chose to do. Not that I am particularly socialist these days, I believe in social justice more than any economic dogma.

I'm a bit sick of people telling me what I should and shouldn't believe and the hysterical stereotypes of anyone who dares lean slightly to the left. I believe in equality, I believe that the poorest in our society should be helped out of there rather than chastised and locked away there for life. Iain Duncan Smith has a $#@!ing hell of a lot to answer for, he is one politician who truly does have blood on his hands.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm not fond of being constantly portrayed as some granola eating Richard Littlejohn concoction when actually, I don't think what I believe is that extreme.
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This, this and more this.
 
Templeton Peck said:
Nobody can help their upbringing - its their ability to see beyond it that counts. Not an issue for Tony Benn clearly.
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Exactly why I referred to Tony Benn myself.

My mother's hero was Tony Benn. Anyone interested in politics, and also believing that one's personal mores should be individual and not necessarily upbringing-based, cannot fail to have respect for a truly great politician.

The party I vote for doesn't change my opinion on Tony Benn, even if I couldn't agree with a lot of his beliefs.
 
I don't think background has a huge amount to do with political beliefs, but it does have a massively disproportionate affect on political opportunities, much more so than even in business.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Sorry for the rant, but I'm not fond of being constantly portrayed as some granola eating Richard Littlejohn concoction when actually, I don't think what I believe is that extreme.
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I don't think you can really complain too much when most of your political posts do look like they were written by Richard little john and polly toynbees love child? I don't mean that in a nasty way - you must admit you hype up every point in the same way they do?

I generally think you have good points underneath it all.
 
tredman said:
Quotes from the Daily UKIP about Malala winning the Nobel prize
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Well this should cheer them up. Not only will he not be a burden on the the UK, he won't be a burden on Afghanistan for long either.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/14/uk-deport-pakistani-activist-liaquat-ali-hazara
 
Rochester and Strood by election expected to be on 20 November. UKIP are already clear favourites to win it.
 
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