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Farage Ltd and Similar Watch

The Saturday Boy said:
I would say the same thing about the Greens. There are a few high profile greens but they are actually very tight about who they let loose in winnable seats. Some the activists in the greens would make Karl Mark look like Thatcher.
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The only member of the Green's I know of is their one MP who actually talks some sense. I have no idea if the rest of their party is full of loonies though. UKIP however have yet to show me any candidate who is not a complete and utter bafoon. That link above to the holocaust comments is just staggering. Are they just trying to get any old publicity whether it's good or bad?
 
2010 General Election result for the Bosworth constituency which my town of Hinckley is part of.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/a54.stm

Now the 2013 council election results for Hinckley.

http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/your_...ion/election_2013_hinckley.htm?Division_ID=33

UKIP went from 2% in the general election to 14% in the council elections, albeit on a much smaller turn out. UKIP will always do well when there is voter apathy, and that is how these bandwagons start rolling.
 
2010 General Election result for the Bosworth constituency which my town of Hinckley is part of.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/a54.stm

Now the 2013 council election results for Hinckley.

http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/your_...ion/election_2013_hinckley.htm?Division_ID=33

UKIP went from 2% in the general election to 14% in the council elections, albeit on a much smaller turn out. UKIP will always do well when there is voter apathy, and that is how these bandwagons start rolling.
 
While I don't think UKIP's policies stand up to any sort of scrutiny, the right's stance on immigration baffles me.

Their mantra is "let the market decide", they want "flexible" employment, they tell the unemployed to "get on their bike and look for work" - they demand self-reliance and hard work, even if the wages are terrible. They insist that everyone should pay their way and look after their own families.

Well, those people who come here from abroad to work tick every box. (Let's ignore the demonstrable nonsense about those who come here to claim benefits.) They're the right-wing fantasy made flesh. They haven't just got on their bikes, they've got on planes, buses, lorries, boats - anything to find work, so they can make a better life for themselves. They're often prepared to do low-paid, low-skilled work to get money to send home to their families, or to give them a reasonable life in this country. They are doing what is demanded of them in a capitalist economy. Why aren't they being held up as examples instead of villified as scroungers?
 
So Long Architect said:
While I don't think UKIP's policies stand up to any sort of scrutiny, the right's stance on immigration baffles me.

Their mantra is "let the market decide", they want "flexible" employment, they tell the unemployed to "get on their bike and look for work" - they demand self-reliance and hard work, even if the wages are terrible. They insist that everyone should pay their way and look after their own families.

Well, those people who come here from abroad to work tick every box. (Let's ignore the demonstrable nonsense about those who come here to claim benefits.) They're the right-wing fantasy made flesh. They haven't just got on their bikes, they've got on planes, buses, lorries, boats - anything to find work, so they can make a better life for themselves. They're often prepared to do low-paid, low-skilled work to get money to send home to their families, or to give them a reasonable life in this country. They are doing what is demanded of them in a capitalist economy. Why aren't they being held up as examples instead of villified as scroungers?
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I think that's spot on and is pretty much Ken Clarke's stance on the EU. I happen to agree with most of what you've put and I can't understand the little Englander stance UKIP/ BNP take.
 
The other thing I don't get, is that the right are all for deregulation, flexibility, stripping away red tape and bureaucracy, minimal state interference etc... But then they berate the government for not having enough laws controlling movement of labour and protecting "our" jobs.

I dunno, it's almost like they haven't really thought it through.
 
Precisely. You can't position your whole ethos as life being a Darwinian struggle where those who work hardest and adapt best win out, and then change your mind because chummy who does has a different coloured passport. Well you can, but it raises some pretty horrific questions about your mindset.
 
So Long Architect said:
The other thing I don't get, is that the right are all for deregulation, flexibility, stripping away red tape and bureaucracy, minimal state interference etc... But then they berate the government for not having enough laws controlling movement of labour and protecting "our" jobs.

I dunno, it's almost like they haven't really thought it through.
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By 'the right' who do you mean? Or are you just ranting?
 
Johnny75 said:
By 'the right' who do you mean? Or are you just ranting?
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Yeah, mainly ranting. Quiet day. :icon_smile:

But this particular rant is directed at anyone who likes to "let the market decide", argues that "flexible" working practices are the key to economic prosperity, and says that profit is king, (in my mind these are the views of "the right", economically anyway) but then bleats about immigrants coming here nicking our jobs. It's the system you created, fuckwits! People are behaving in exactly the way you envisaged. Pity you couldn't look beyond your own port-sodden noses to see that the world doesn't stop at Dover.
 
So Long Architect said:
The other thing I don't get, is that the right are all for deregulation, flexibility, stripping away red tape and bureaucracy, minimal state interference etc... But then they berate the government for not having enough laws controlling movement of labour and protecting "our" jobs.

I dunno, it's almost like they haven't really thought it through.
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I wouldn't describe the people , you are on about as the RIGHT. Capatalists yes , who believe in a free market and globalisation.But i'd have thought that capatalists are the enemies of the RIGHT.

National Socialists believe in state rule. Not a free market .
 
So Long Architect said:
While I don't think UKIP's policies stand up to any sort of scrutiny, the right's stance on immigration baffles me.

Their mantra is "let the market decide", they want "flexible" employment, they tell the unemployed to "get on their bike and look for work" - they demand self-reliance and hard work, even if the wages are terrible. They insist that everyone should pay their way and look after their own families.

Well, those people who come here from abroad to work tick every box. (Let's ignore the demonstrable nonsense about those who come here to claim benefits.) They're the right-wing fantasy made flesh. They haven't just got on their bikes, they've got on planes, buses, lorries, boats - anything to find work, so they can make a better life for themselves. They're often prepared to do low-paid, low-skilled work to get money to send home to their families, or to give them a reasonable life in this country. They are doing what is demanded of them in a capitalist economy. Why aren't they being held up as examples instead of villified as scroungers?
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I have no issue with those who move their families for a better life and come here to find work.

I do have an issue with those who come here solely to claim benefits. Such people do exist.
 
North West Wanderer said:
I have no issue with those who move their families for a better life and come here to find work.

I do have an issue with those who come here solely to claim benefits. Such people do exist.
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No-one's saying there is nobody doing that. But I have yet to see any evidence that it's anything other than a very insignifcant number. Certainly nothing that requires the kind of rhetoric we see from UKIP and others, and definitely not anything that demands wholesale changes to our laws, and our generally tolerant national outlook. Yes, I believe as a nation, we are a tolerant bunch - we must be, otherwise the vileness spouted by sections of the media and some political parties would have resulted in much greater unrest by now. Despite their best efforts, most people do just get on with their lives. I'd quite like it to stay that way.
 
North West Wanderer said:
I have no issue with those who move their families for a better life and come here to find work.

I do have an issue with those who come here solely to claim benefits. Such people do exist.
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No-one's saying there is nobody doing that. But I have yet to see any evidence that it's anything other than a very insignifcant number. Certainly nothing that requires the kind of rhetoric we see from UKIP and others, and definitely not anything that demands wholesale changes to our laws, and our generally tolerant national outlook. Yes, I believe as a nation, we are a tolerant bunch - we must be, otherwise the vileness spouted by sections of the media and some political parties would have resulted in much greater unrest by now. Despite their best efforts, most people do just get on with their lives. I'd quite like it to stay that way.
 
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