Everton Verdict Thread

[Deutsch Wolf]

Video of the offside:

https://twitter.com/DazHaleWM/status/1168220607319826432

Now that needs a proper review, surely?

 

[slink]

Personally i think there's a big issue from the league games that's killing us at the minute and that's just how deep we are in general as a team. We're so deep we're inviting teams on to us too far and we can't get out with any fluidity hence going long more. There's quite a gap between the midfield and the front 2 for the majority of games and it's causing issues. Delph today much like Pogba at Molineux sat deep and had far too much space that we didn't seem to notice and he ran the game which Pogba wasn't quite able to do. Everton had clearly worked on overloading on the inside forward positions and getting to the corner of the box to whip balls in and we looked incredibly shaky from them.

Felt for Vinagre because he was just bullied by Richarlison all game, had no real help yet managed to play all game. This was just a sign of Nuno getting his team selection wrong again which i think he has done for the last 3 league games. Despite being quite poor today we only just lost and hadn't been beaten until today which means we aren't far off but there's such fine margins in the Premier League he has to get it right. It doesn't help when players make ridiculous individual errors or have poor games which has happened in every league game too but we need to get it sorted. The league is what should be the most important to me, it's wide open and the top 6 is quite clearly attainable by any side that is consistent and thinking long term the Europa league comes second.

Maybe we're mentally tired rather than physically after so many games in the month and now that calms down we could pick up but a win in the league is important and we need it sooner rather than later. Couple of bright spots today, Cutrone is a fantastic footballer and we really need to tune in to his runs behind as he will score goals from them if we spot them and despite not playing at his best Raul continues to find the net. I just want us to get back up the field and don't understand why our starting position is 5-10 yards deeper than last year.

 

[Alan]

Alan you need a podcast.

What's the old saying? That would go over like a lead zeppelin?

 

[Tony Towner]

Video of the offside:

https://twitter.com/DazHaleWM/status/1168220607319826432

Now that needs a proper review, surely?

It's bollocks, but that's VAR

 

[Pablowolf]

What's the old saying? That would go over like a lead zeppelin?

As long as you classify it as comedy you'll be fine.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's not about whether Bennett is playing him on, it's whether Coady gets out quick enough

When it's frozen (and I am going to assume this is the right moment to pause the action as it's hooked on) he's past Sigurdsson, by quite a margin (relatively speaking)

 

[Charlie Wolf]

Don't think we were anywhere near as bad as is being painted in some quarters. But can't really complain about the result as if you defend like that, you deserve to get punished. All of the goals were dreadful in some way though I am convinced Sigurdsson is offside for the second and after the Newcastle goal yesterday, I can't shake the feeling that they've fucked this up at VAR HQ.

We missed Moutinho for the first hour - notable that we started to gain some kind of control after he came on. Sadly though as soon as we scored, we took no care and attention towards keeping the ball at all and let Everton back in.

We did go direct far too often, not sure where this has come from. There might be a time and a place for it - up against a team with a high line, as Leicester were in the second half of that game, or against a team who are a bit weak in the air. This was neither the time nor the place.

Cutrone was good, Neves is not the problem, Dendoncker had his worst game for us, Coady had his worst Nuno Era game for us and Vinagre was mismatched against Richarlison throughout. Boly largely fine but lost the plot in the final 10 minutes, never seen him make an error like that for the winner, stupid second booking, there's like one second to go, leave him alone. Adama is still learning on the job and we have to accept for now that he will make defensive errors. Great little 10-15 minute spell where he was hammering Digne but then we stopped giving him the ball.

Talk of "relegation fights", "worry" and "being found out" is just silly at this stage. Presumably Chelsea will be bang in trouble if we beat them and go above them in this nascent table (meanwhile I'll pop over to one of Palace's forums and let them know how the UEFA draws work, after all they're on for a Champions League place). We haven't been fantastic in the league so far but nor have we been awful, the fight and the attitude is still there, we've been undone today by a defensive display that I doubt we'll see again all season. It was so out of character for us, we're normally perfectly happy to let teams sling in crosses all day but here we looked all at sea.

10 games played, one defeat and though we probably wouldn't have merited it, we *could* have got something today. We'll be alright.

The most balanced assessment from everything that has been said so far.

I’ve been pissed of since the final whistle, but this has restored some faith. No we were t good today to a man but the season is not defined by a couple of games.

Our performances last year were based and a good solid defence and work ethic when not in possession, these were lacking today

Let’s move on together guys, win lose or draw, we know who we are remember

 

[Alan]

As long as you classify it as comedy you'll be fine.

Noted.

Can we move on? I've no issue with people disagreeing with me. It's the nature of it that's rankled me lately.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Tricky one for Nuno this. We have to give Cutrone games - he won't find any kind of form if he's only ever getting 15 minute cameos, and he hasn't come here to sit on the bench all season. He also proved today that he's a damn good player and should be fine in the Premier League. But Raul is in lethal form - I think it's 16 in his last 24 games now - and so can you really leave him out at Goodison Park? And Jota put a lot of effort in on Thursday.

We have to find a balancing act (I think Jota is another one who has been attracting too much flak, he has played pretty well all season, it just hasn't quite happened for him in terms of goal return yet).

I agree that Jota hasn't played badly and things haven't run for him but irrespective of form he cannot play twice a week every week. The problem is that when he is not there we look a different team. Jota effectively makes the pitch bigger and gives us more space.Hopefully Cutrone (and Neto) can bring a different threat or I think many more teams will see how we struggle when squeezed and repeat what Everton did.

 

[Lupo]

I was impressed with Cutrone and would have liked to see him get a full game, disappointed he was withdrawn when he was

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Something else to get annoyed about...if Rui doesn't get a finger to Richarlison's shot on the first goal (which most keepers wouldn't have), Coads redeems himself by heading it away :icon_lol:

I suppose that summed the whole day up defensively.

 

[Kenny]

The pass to Rui is unreal. When Coady realised Rui wasnt coming out he had to do a Benno and thump it away but when he sees Rui respond to his call he just has to be strong and shield the ball OR do a Benno and get rid. What made him put the ball away from Rui I just don't know.

Also Boly let me down...the team down and more importantly let himself down. At least he will be well rested when Europa resumes

 

[Alan]

Boly seemed unusually emotional for a while today. Who was it that he was barking at early in the second half? Richarlison? I can't remember the last time I saw him get demonstrably riled up like that.

 

[Kenny]

He had a go at Kean at one point because he felt he kicked out at him when he was on the floor.

Boly tells off players from the other team all the time.


Edit: Got the player who kicked him wrong

 

[Tony Towner]

It was Kean

 

[Lycan]

Too many changes.

That was the first time since Nuno rocked up that I've thought that we didn't look prepared for the game.

The balance in midfield was all wrong, Raul & Patrick don't work as a pair, Vinagre was awful, Bennett was even worse and then when it looked like in spite of all of that we would fluke a point our most reliable player gifts them a winning goal and then stupidly gets himself sent off.

The midfield 3 was a clear tactical error from Nuno IMO. Saiss comes into the line up in place of Moutinho which is a fair enough decision considering Romain's form recently and the fact that Joao probably needed a rest but you've got to shuffle the line up to accommodate that change. Don't play Saiss as LCM and expect him to do what Joao does for us, play him as a CDM where he's best and move Neves further up.

 

[Lycan]

Boly seemed unusually emotional for a while today. Who was it that he was barking at early in the second half? Richarlison? I can't remember the last time I saw him get demonstrably riled up like that.

Kean kicked him while he was lying on the floor.

Willy was right to have a go.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Thought Benno was way better than Coady today. And he does have a real problem of having to cover more ground at the moment (again not having a go at Adama - he is learning and learning fast, but it's all on the job).

Saiss isn't a great sitting midfielder IMO. He's better winning the ball higher up the park. We clearly want Neves dictating from deep, that is our plan. You are of course free to disagree with Nuno on that but he will not move from there.

Donck was the real weak link today, he got basically nothing right.

 

[Jack Regan]

Donck's performance was summed up by that pass in the second half. Where there was no Wolves player anywhere near him, so he passed it to an Everton one about 5 yards away for no reason instead.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Donck's performance was summed up by that pass in the second half. Where there was no Wolves player anywhere near him, so he passed it to an Everton one about 5 yards away for no reason instead.

I have no idea what that was all about. Reminded me of when Jeremy Hélan used to just run the ball out of play randomly.

TV complaint here - I like Carragher but he was poor today. Kept banging on about "the problem with our system" as if we struggle every week with teams bombarding us and kept saying there was no way we were going to score. Very pro-Everton. I know he used to support them but come on man.

I like about six Mickeys in the waaaaaairld, don't make me turn that into five.