Everton Verdict Thread

[Norman Deeley]

So my two penn’orth for what it’s worth. Willy Boly at the end: that’s just bloody stupid, Willy and could well cost us against Frank Lampard’s Chelsea.
Coady for the first? Awful – and I think we have to accept that if we are ever going where Fosun want us to go, both Coady and Boly will be upgraded.
I was impressed with Cutrone, Unimpressed with Vinagre, but he’s a young lad learning his trade etc – and Parkin makes a good point: the plan was to get out of the Champ this season, or maybe this was the season we consolidated in the Prem. We’re way ahead of schedule.
Everything else has been said. Even at 2-2 I didn’t think we’d get a point but the defending for that 3rd goal was just dreadful. And then Willy gets a red card. I can’t say it too many times. Beyond stupid

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Don't think we were anywhere near as bad as is being painted in some quarters. But can't really complain about the result as if you defend like that, you deserve to get punished. All of the goals were dreadful in some way though I am convinced Sigurdsson is offside for the second and after the Newcastle goal yesterday, I can't shake the feeling that they've fucked this up at VAR HQ.

We missed Moutinho for the first hour - notable that we started to gain some kind of control after he came on. Sadly though as soon as we scored, we took no care and attention towards keeping the ball at all and let Everton back in.

We did go direct far too often, not sure where this has come from. There might be a time and a place for it - up against a team with a high line, as Leicester were in the second half of that game, or against a team who are a bit weak in the air. This was neither the time nor the place.

Cutrone was good, Neves is not the problem, Dendoncker had his worst game for us, Coady had his worst Nuno Era game for us and Vinagre was mismatched against Richarlison throughout. Boly largely fine but lost the plot in the final 10 minutes, never seen him make an error like that for the winner, stupid second booking, there's like one second to go, leave him alone. Adama is still learning on the job and we have to accept for now that he will make defensive errors. Great little 10-15 minute spell where he was hammering Digne but then we stopped giving him the ball.

Talk of "relegation fights", "worry" and "being found out" is just silly at this stage. Presumably Chelsea will be bang in trouble if we beat them and go above them in this nascent table (meanwhile I'll pop over to one of Palace's forums and let them know how the UEFA draws work, after all they're on for a Champions League place). We haven't been fantastic in the league so far but nor have we been awful, the fight and the attitude is still there, we've been undone today by a defensive display that I doubt we'll see again all season. It was so out of character for us, we're normally perfectly happy to let teams sling in crosses all day but here we looked all at sea.

10 games played, one defeat and though we probably wouldn't have merited it, we *could* have got something today. We'll be alright.

 

[Tredman]

xG [emoji1745]

 

[White Wolf]

All of the goals were dreadful in some way though I am convinced Sigurdsson is offside for the second and after the Newcastle goal yesterday, I can't shake the feeling that they've fucked this up at VAR HQ.

I think so too, definitely looked offside in person. Haven't seen a full replay of when Sigurdsson gets the ball just when he whips it in for the goal, but I have a suspicion he was off also.

 

[Kenny]

I think so too, definitely looked offside in person. Haven't seen a full replay of when Sigurdsson gets the ball just when he whips it in for the goal, but I have a suspicion he was off also.

My view on the 1 image shown on TV is he is on, thanks to Benno's ankle BUT it was a quick decision made by VAR, not even a "checking goal" notification given and yet in the Arsenal game, a goal that was clearly offside was checked for 30 or so seconds, including showing us them working out if it was. So have to question why that goal wasn't given the same level of checks

 

[jd1981]

As soon as I saw the replay of the 2nd goal I thought we’d be waiting around for a while so it could be checked. Was shocked that play got underway very quickly and we barely saw another replay of it, plus we’ve not seen any other replays other than the ones shown. Surely there’s a more conclusive replay.

 

[Dublin Drummer Wolf]

Alan is playing you lot as a puppet. Got you lot in knots, clear to see hes WUMMING you lot and you keep on biting.

Definitely. When he said Lucas Digne was pish I knew he was trolling TWF

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

As soon as I saw the replay of the 2nd goal I thought we’d be waiting around for a while so it could be checked. Was shocked that play got underway very quickly and we barely saw another replay of it, plus we’ve not seen any other replays other than the ones shown. Surely there’s a more conclusive replay.

https://talksport.com/football/595503/var-newcastle-watford-handball/

Excuse the crappy source. So yesterday they just missed it. I suspect the same has happened here.

There was a backlash against the process after OUR goal vs United and I think they have panicked and stopped checking everything meticulously. So now we have total inconsistency.

Look, I might be wrong. They might be able to show he's onside. It's very close either way. But there is no chance they applied the same rigorous check as we were seeing in the first couple of weeks, not even remotely possible.

 

[jd1981]

My thought to show us a replay that shows they got it right then it stops the questioning.
Reality is last season if we’d let one that marginal I wouldn’t be to upset about it.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Moutinho is simply our best player, without him or when he is not on form we look poor.

Moutinho is fantastic but I think Jota is just as important to the way we play. Our upturn in form coincided with him hitting form against Chelsea last December and he was brilliant until the end of the season. In fact even in the FA Cup semi final everything was going well whilst he was on the pitch. He is such a threat that opponents sit a bit deeper and that extra bit of space enables our midfield to operate, without him we get squeezed and all too frequently loose possession quickly.

 

[Alan]

Definitely. When he said Lucas Digne was pish I knew he was trolling TWF

Tbf nothing Digne did today suggests I was wrong.

 

[Quirkafleeg]

Alan you need a podcast.

 

[Langers]

We weren't good today but we were nowhere near as bad as others have said. I just don't think some people can accept a defeat. And yes, we deserved to lose because we gifted them their first 2 goals. Fuck ups happen but we really don't make many of them. Maybe we've been spoiled.

I think it was a mediocre performance with plenty to improve on but in all honesty, I'm far from worried and have no doubts we'll get better. Anyone saying we're in a relegation scrap needs to take a long hard look at themselves after 4 games in alongside the european adventure.

Try and show a bit of patience and faith in this squad, maybe? We are allowed to lose every so often.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Moutinho is fantastic but I think Jota is just as important to the way we play. Our upturn in form coincided with him hitting form against Chelsea last December and he was brilliant until the end of the season. In fact even in the FA Cup semi final everything was going well whilst he was on the pitch. He is such a threat that opponents sit a bit deeper and that extra bit of space enables our midfield to operate, without him we get squeezed and all too frequently loose possession quickly.

Tricky one for Nuno this. We have to give Cutrone games - he won't find any kind of form if he's only ever getting 15 minute cameos, and he hasn't come here to sit on the bench all season. He also proved today that he's a damn good player and should be fine in the Premier League. But Raul is in lethal form - I think it's 16 in his last 24 games now - and so can you really leave him out at Goodison Park? And Jota put a lot of effort in on Thursday.

We have to find a balancing act (I think Jota is another one who has been attracting too much flak, he has played pretty well all season, it just hasn't quite happened for him in terms of goal return yet).

 

[The Bear]

https://talksport.com/football/595503/var-newcastle-watford-handball/

Excuse the crappy source. So yesterday they just missed it. I suspect the same has happened here.

There was a backlash against the process after OUR goal vs United and I think they have panicked and stopped checking everything meticulously. So now we have total inconsistency.

Look, I might be wrong. They might be able to show he's onside. It's very close either way. But there is no chance they applied the same rigorous check as we were seeing in the first couple of weeks, not even remotely possible.

They haven't stopped doing it because of a backlash. They did it again today when ruling out an Arsenal goal. We got the full mouse and dotted lines and everything, even though it was fucking miles off and really obvious, they still went through the whole tedious process.

They just fucked up AGAIN.

 

[big mean bunny]

My only issue really with today is that we didn't make changes sooner. Everton are a good side and they have a level of investment we aren't either able or willing to make. Siguardsson, Richarlison are both talented big money signings, thought Delph was good today too in what he did defensively screen wise, and that they had clearly worked on keeping players in the areas our wingbacks like to operate in and so negated a lot of our usual play through occupying the space.

We aren't yet at a level where we can have this level of fury at losing to Everton, we played poorly, they didn't. We also managed to score twice and create some other chances despite our dreadful play, and we still limited them when you look at the Xg, we just made a number of uncharacteristic errors.

The next run of games will be a better indication, Chelsea, Braga, Palace, play whoever he wants in the cup VS Reading and then Watford. If they get 6-7 points from those league games the picture will be completely different.

 

[Dublin Drummer Wolf]

Tbf nothing Digne did today suggests I was wrong.

Apart from the lovely move to set up the winning goal...

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yeah I saw the Arsenal incident. Didn't need any of that as you could tell from one freeze frame that he was offside.

There is no way that anyone can look at the freeze frame of Sigurdsson and 100% say that he is onside or offside. I am leaning very much towards the latter but I suppose I would.

Bizarre stuff.

 

[AndyWolves]

Bit more reflective now.

On another day we win that game and were more locked in defensively.

Nuno said Torino was the biggest game in years so it's kind of expected to not be at the races today.

I'm not too concerned as there are lessons to be learnt. Playing attacking fullbacks against decent wingers is going to leave you exposed. I think we're missing a bit if the solidarity that Jonny & Doc gave us (doc being just a bit better than Adama defensively).

 

[malta mick]

Moutinho is fantastic but I think Jota is just as important to the way we play. Our upturn in form coincided with him hitting form against Chelsea last December and he was brilliant until the end of the season. In fact even in the FA Cup semi final everything was going well whilst he was on the pitch. He is such a threat that opponents sit a bit deeper and that extra bit of space enables our midfield to operate, without him we get squeezed and all too frequently loose possession quickly.

spot on mate