Coronavirus

[Alan]

Getting a mild flu after a flu vaccination is such a well-known thing that people just expect to be a little sick afterward. Everyone just accepts it. COVID vax hits a little harder and everyone is freaking the fuck out.

Also something I was reminded of when our Senate overruled Biden's vax mandate: in the state of North Carolina, prior to attending University, I was mandated to be vaccinated against pneumococcal pneumonia. No big controversy there.

People are just fucking wild with how they'll move the goalposts on this shit.

 

[BillyDee]

A mate of mine has it in his contract he has to get the flu jab every year. Nothing to do with health care or anything public facing, his company just don't want people off sick.

 

[WolfMan]

Getting a mild flu after a flu vaccination is such a well-known thing that people just expect to be a little sick afterward. Everyone just accepts it. COVID vax hits a little harder and everyone is freaking the fuck out.

Also something I was reminded of when our Senate overruled Biden's vax mandate: in the state of North Carolina, prior to attending University, I was mandated to be vaccinated against pneumococcal pneumonia. No big controversy there.

People are just fucking wild with how they'll move the goalposts on this shit.

Do you support mandatory vaccines then Alan?

 

[BillyDee]

Mandatory vaccinations are nothing new. The likes of rabies, hep B, yellow fever have been manadatory for travelling for years.

 

[WolfMan]

Mandatory vaccinations are nothing new. The likes of rabies, hep B, yellow fever have been manadatory for travelling for years.

Bit different as you don't have to travel do you. I know people who've never been abroad in their lives.

 

[BillyDee]

Yeah, and that's their choice. If going abroad isn't safe for the person travelling and for the people they meet without vaccination, then don't travel. If going to a gig or football match isn't safe for that person or for the people they meet without vaccination, then don't go.

 

[sycophantia]

Bit different as you don't have to travel do you. I know people who've never been abroad in their lives.

Well you don't have to go to the pub, restaurant, football

 

[WolfMan]

Yeah, and that's their choice. If going abroad isn't safe for the person travelling and for the people they meet without vaccination, then don't travel. If going to a gig or football match isn't safe for that person or for the people they meet without vaccination, then don't go.

Vaccinated people can also catch and spread it? Especially it seems with Omicron.

Well you don't have to go to the pub, restaurant, football

I know, the conversation was about mandatory vaccines, not vaccine passports.

 

[BillyDee]

Vaccinated people can also catch and spread it? Especially it seems with Omicron

If I drive at the speed limit I can still crash into someone. Less likely than if I am going over the limit.
These vaccines aren't 100%, no, but they are our best shot as Whitty said on Wednesday, which is why we don't have the restrictions we had last year.

 

[sycophantia]

I know, the conversation was about mandatory vaccines, not vaccine papassports.

Yes but this stage of the conversation is talking about mandatory vaccines for particular situations?

 

[Alan]

Bit different as you don't have to travel do you. I know people who've never been abroad in their lives.

That argument doesn't quite work with higher education.

Also, travel should be made as accessible as possible. We severely undervalue the experience of living in a different culture firsthand (however briefly).

 

[WolfMan]

Yes but this stage of the conversation is talking about mandatory vaccines for particular situations?

Not from me, I was responding to the point Billydee was making equating mandatory vaccines with mandatory travel vaccines

 

[WolfMan]

If I drive at the speed limit I can still crash into someone. Less likely than if I am going over the limit.
These vaccines aren't 100%, no, but they are our best shot as Whitty said on Wednesday, which is why we don't have the restrictions we had last year.

Yet

 

[BillyDee]

Not from me, I was responding to the point Billydee was making equating mandatory vaccines with mandatory travel vaccines

Mandatory travel vaccinations being vaccinations for particular situations, no?

 

[BillyDee]

Yet

Can I borrow your crystal ball for the lottery?

 

[BillyDee]

Can I borrow your crystal ball for the lottery?

Sorry, that's a poor reply. At this point we are not under anything close to the restrictions we had last year. That may change, it may not. I don't think January next year will be anything close to January this year.

 

[Tredman]

Booking boosters for under 40s has just gone live. Get on it people.

 

[WolfMan]

Sorry, that's a poor reply. At this point we are not under anything close to the restrictions we had last year. That may change, it may not. I don't think January next year will be anything close to January this year.

No problem mate - it's an emotive subject. I hope your right about next January. I just worry we're going to be stuck in yearly loop with the only thing to show for it a large reduction in our civil liberties.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Yet

Don't even start that!!

Whatever the rules I will be going to one of my son's Christmas Day.

Will will driving up on my own - we are all doing a LFT the evening before - I am triple jabbed (all others are at least double jabbed and a couple more could well have had the booster by then).

It's 1 related family and only 6 people in a fecking big kitchin/diner that my son has finally finished and there is enough room for social distancing. If Boris & 'friends' can have parties (or whatever else you want to call them) then I am doing this - we will not be impacting on anyone else at all.

Only seen either on odd occassions for a limited time in the last 2 years - I am not really old but have less years left so really not prepared to give up another. It is possible I could have caught flu and died before this all started - got vaccinated and take sensible precautions.

 

[Alan]

No problem mate - it's an emotive subject. I hope your right about next January. I just worry we're going to be stuck in yearly loop with the only thing to show for it a large reduction in our civil liberties.

If people would chill their grills' about it we'd likely end up in a similar spot with COVID as we currently are with influenza: annual jab, death toll in the tens of thousands, rinse and repeat.

With the anti-vaccination movement at its fever pitch, though, I'm not sure we even get to that.